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There I was...happy as a clam for a dozen or so years after putting in my papers and bidding Uncle Sam adieu. Had a few tried and true firearms which I carried on and off the job and never gave a thought to adding anything new. Life was easy.

Then one day I made the mistake of hanging out with my friend and neighbor for some shooting on his property and among the firearms of his we shot that day were his Ruger GP100 and Colt AR-15.

A month or so later I had a S&W 686+ to scratch one itch.
Less than a month after that I had an M&P15 TS and that itch too appeared to be scratched.

Oh, I was only too aware that like a beloved mate the AR would need to be fed, clothed and pampered but little did I know how much time would be spent mooning over it.

I told myself that I wouldn't go overboard, didn't want to spend a lot of money on this and that I only needed a few essentials such as a sling, a light and maybe...MAYBE...an RDS.

Well, I got the sling. A Magpul MS4 (Gen 2). Got the light...a Streamlight TLR-1 HL and said to myself: "I'll be prudent and wait before adding an RDS."

In the intervening days and weeks I found that I pretty much always needed more ammo, another Dewey rod, kit or Otis system cleaning accessory. Patches, jags, Ramrodz. Lubricant, CLP, and yes, even a simple cleaning cradle.

But, ever mindful of the slippery slope I held off on the RDS.
Oh, iron sights will be good enough for me. After all, in our woods you can barely get a clear shot approaching 100 yards. And I want to keep it simple...and inexpensive. You know...

But no...you guys just had to sing the praises of the RDS and herald its virtues. Aging eyes you warned. Threats from zombies you admonished. Roving gangs of meth heads you wisely pointed out.

And so, "yes", I said to myself, "it's true...the world is daily becoming a more dangerous and unrecognizable place. Who will protect my wife and dog? Who will look out for the few neighbors I can actually stand? And wouldn't an RDS complete the TS? You know, just like we planned all along. Sling, light, and red dot sight."

And so...you know...I'm really quite sure that this Aimpoint PRO I just back ordered yesterday will be the very last thing I'll ever need for my M&P15 TS. Yep...positive. Honestly.

My name is Elliott and I'm an AR-aholic.

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You're not alone...

I started with the M&P15 MOE Mid... At which point, Household 6 needed an M&P15 TS... At least she thinks it's hers...

The MOE was meant to be a "stock" gun. I started with an EOTech EXPS3-4 G33 HHS1 and light. EOTech was returned for a refund. I then added an Aimpoint T2 Micro with a Larue QD. Alas, something was still missing, so a Harris bipod it was... This morning I'm sad to admit that Leupold Mark AR Mod 1 3-9x40 was ordered because well you know the old eyes ain't what they used to be... This wraps up the "stock" MOE...

Now it starts all over again with the TS.

AR-aholics unite!
 
'Well blow me down...'

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blues7 said:
.... just back ordered yesterday will be the very last thing I'll ever need....
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Buddy and I have a running joke about firearms in general when we buy something.... "And that's all I'll need".

And it feels true at the moment I click the buy button. Then the package arrives, accessory or gun, a period of time passes... then... well ya'll know the rest of the story. :D

Aimpoint is a great choice.

ARs are habit forming....
 
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10 minutes after I posted earlier I ordered 2 Wilson Combat TTUs (4.5#) for the MOE & TS along with a Fail Zero BCG... I'm really DONE now.

Now to intercept the monthly CC statement at the mail box before HH6 sees it...
 
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Fortunately "6 Actual" in my own household is a very happy and forgiving spirit.

Somehow she has come to the conclusion that if we can afford something and it makes me, (us), happy, then what's the harm? You can't take it with you.

I knew there was a good reason I married her 29 years ago. :p

By the way, Chief, keep it up. You're making me feel better about myself by the minute. :D If you ever need detox, we have a spare bedroom and nice woods, mountains and waterfalls hereabouts. :cool:
 
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blues7 said:
And so...you know...I'm really quite sure that this Aimpoint PRO I just back ordered yesterday will be the very last thing I'll ever need for my M&P15 TS. Yep...positive. Honestly.
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Yeah, we've all said that. As I type this, in a second tab I have an ACOG that I'm drooling over. I've finally admitted that the simple red dot with no magnification isn't working for me. The 1-4x24 scope is great, but I never take it off 4x and it's heavier than necessary. So, I may go to a fixed ACOG.

Meh, this is our hobby. Have fun with it.
 
Blues,

My version of HH6 is an accountant... I'd rather pet a diamondback rattler versus letting her see my cc statement.

Woods, mountains and waterfalls... Don't tempt me!
 
SeniorChief5352 said:
10 minutes after I posted earlier I ordered 2 Wilson Combat TTUs (4.5#) for the MOE & TS along with a Fail Zero BCG... I'm really DONE now.

Now to intercept the monthly CC statement at the mail box before HH6 sees it...
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You will love the Wilson TTUs. I have one and could not be happier with it.
Same goes for the Aimpoint Pro. IMHO, the best trigger and RDS on the market. :)
 
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You will love the Wilson TTUs. I have one and could not be happier with it.
Same goes for the Aimpoint Pro. IMHO, the best trigger and RDS on the market. :)
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Good to hear about the Aimpoint...

...But wait a minute, Babalooey! Am I going to need a trigger now? Hmmm, I can't afford to let Chief get too far ahead with his TS. Then again, he won't want a Command Sergeant Major to get a leg up on him...and so it goes. :p

By the way, since I put my papers in I seem to see a lot of former employees of Uncle who jumped after 27 years. I'm sure it's just coincidence, like noticing folks who have the same birthday. I was on from 1977-2004.
 
SeniorChief5352 said:
10 minutes after I posted earlier I ordered 2 Wilson Combat TTUs (4.5#) for the MOE & TS along with a Fail Zero BCG... I'm really DONE now.

Now to intercept the monthly CC statement at the mail box before HH6 sees it...
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I've got a WC TTU 4.5. Love it.

blues7, it'd be a shame to shoot your AR with that nice Aimpoint red dot without a WC trigger. Order one now and you'll have time to install it and have the rifle ready for that new Aimpoint when it arrives. That's all you'll need. Why waste the ammo with factory trigger... ;)
 
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ChattanoogaPhil said:
I've got a WC TTU 4.5. Love it.

blues7, it'd be a shame to shoot your AR with that nice Aimpoint red dot without a WC trigger. Order one now and you'll have time to install it and have the rifle ready for that new Aimpoint when it arrives. That's all you'll need. Why waste the ammo with factory trigger... ;)
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Somehow I just knew that this thread would be dangerous to my (financial) health. :p

(I'll take it under advisement. Though I'll admit that I just finished watching the installation video on the site. ;))
 
I just put one of these in my AR: 4lb Velocity AR Trigger at

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This cost me $150 shipped to my door. Last week I used it in a 4 day class where we fired about 500 rounds. I can't say enough good things about this trigger. Not expensive, super crisp and I can't feel any creep or over travel. I'm sure they are both there, otherwise the trigger wouldn't work, but I can't feel it.
 
@rastoff & @ChattanoogaPhil:

Since I only have a total of 60 or so trigger pulls on my TS since its return from Springfield I think I'll resist replacing it until I can determine whether it presents an issue with my style of shooting or not.

I've never replaced a trigger on any firearm over the years except for mandatory trigger replacements on my duty and personally owned Glocks while still employed.

Now I can foresee when I go to shoot later this week I'll be saying "Hey David, doesn't the action on this trigger feel gritty or something? I should probably replace it." :rolleyes:

:p
 
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@rastoff & @ChattanoogaPhil:

Since I only have a total of 60 or so trigger pulls on my TS since its return from Springfield I think I'll resist replacing it until I can determine whether it presents an issue with my style of shooting or not.
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See... there's already 60 rounds wasted with a factory trigger. Could have been another $20 toward that new tigger! :D
 
ChattanoogaPhil said:
See... there's already 60 rounds wasted with a factory trigger. Could have been another $20 toward that new tigger! :D
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Yeah, but you're not taking into account the fact that I'd probably be the one guy to screw up the installation of a drop in trigger and end up wishing for a factory version from S&W. ;)

(Even a dolt like me can reliably connect an accessory to a rail.)
 
Ahhh... ARs... I hate to bring up another point... but just wait till you start looking at other calibers... and manufacturers seem to be producing upgrades and revolutionary new accessories faster than you can say... "I gotta get one of those"... I have given up... no, not really! [emoji1303][emoji41][emoji1303]


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OK Hog Shooter said:
Ahhh... ARs... I hate to bring up another point... but just wait till you start looking at other calibers... and manufacturers seem to be producing upgrades and revolutionary new accessories faster than you can say... "I gotta get one of those"... I have given up... no, not really!
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You know, I can make it to Chattanooga in under 4 hours, don't you?

(Hell, I can't even threaten you...you have more and better guns! :p)

Get thee behind me, Svengali!
 
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ChattanoogaPhil said:
Come on over. We'll take some guns to the Club and get ya hooked on suppressed shooting too.
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I may have to take you up on that sometime. It would be great to meet you and get spoiled by "the club".

Had I the foresight, I might have taken care of the matter of licensing for suppressors when I worked joint cases with ATF in years gone by. As sibling Treasury agencies we routinely supported each others investigations.

Also worked some good arms cases back in the day along with (what was then) Defense Investigative Service and Air Force OSI. Mostly the Eastern Bloc trying to smuggle arms and munitions out or smuggle their stuff in. We'd borrow military hardware for flash to impress the bad guys and establish our bona fides in our undercover ops.
 
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Hanging around these parts is near as bad as being the eunuch guarding the harem. :p
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We are a bunch of enablers. We love our job!

blues7 said:
Yeah, but you're not taking into account the fact that I'd probably be the one guy to screw up the installation of a drop in trigger and end up wishing for a factory version from S&W. ;)

(Even a dolt like me can reliably connect an accessory to a rail.)
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If you can connect something to a rail, you can install a drop in cartridge type trigger. It's much easier than installing a factory trigger. See, with the Wilson or Velocity shown above, not to mention a hundred other manufacturers, there is only one part to deal with. With a factory or Mil-Spec fire control group, there are several parts and you have to overcome the pressure of a couple springs as well. AND, you have to get those springs installed correctly or the gun won't work.

Yeah, cartridge type trigger is the way to go.

Failing that, consider doing the 15 minute trigger job: 15 Minute Practical Trigger Job for the AR-15

If you skip the part about cutting one leg off the hammer spring, you'll still have a really smooth trigger. Much better than stock. It will still have too much creep, but you won't care because it's so smooth. The other triggers are better, but this only costs time and really does work.

See, we're not so bad. I just saved you a bunch of money.
 
Actually, Doug, when I looked at the video on the Wilson Combat site the installation seemed pretty straight forward.

Then I read a review somewhere a short while later where the author was evaluating nine aftermarket triggers. The Wilson and Velocity were among that group.

IIRC, the Wilson trigger was his pick for second place. He did mention that of the triggers tested it was the hardest install (with that term being relative to the other triggers...not that it was particularly difficult). The Velocity came in a bit lower but he did mention its many good points from his perspective.

At the present moment I don't plan on messing with the trigger or internals until or unless I feel that something is either amiss or otherwise holding my own or the rifle's performance back. At this early date I haven't yet determined where that line is. I hope to do so sooner rather than later.

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