Today in Texas - open carry on the horizon

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Jack Wagon said:
Had lunch today with a Texas Supreme Court judge. He said that OC in Texas will pass. And he is all for it. He also said campus carry may not pass.
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Texas is getting OC, that's all that matters, let the anti's stew in their pain and agony.

Wasn't this thread about TX and OC in the first place, before the smoke and mirrors?
 
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Here in Missouri a bill quietly passed a few months ago, part of that bill allows CCW holders to carry on campus. At least that is how I read it, and my college age daughter, who just took her CCW class confirmed it. There has been nothing reported about illegal CCW carrying on campus.
 
kbm6893 said:
There was a thread on here not long ago about ND's. LOT'S of us here had them.
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Yes, I read that thread.

It's generally a list if inattention, distraction, brainfarts and knowing better but didn't do it issues (discipline). And that's what I have been saying all along.

Tell us the details about your last ND. Was it the result of being an untrained "idiot" who didn't know any better that madatory training would have necessarily prevented, or was it more along the lines of what I listed above?
 
kbm6893 said:
...can I assume that you believe that a person should be able to mount a .50 cal onto the car or string claymore's around their property?

Cause since you can't, gun control already exists. And not trying to insult you, but you chose to live and make your career in one of the most restrictive states. I find that strange.

Have a nice day. I'm loading up my 17 round magazines for my trip to the range on Monday. Hopefully "idiot free"!
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Cal .50 machine guns are crew-served weapons, and, arguably, not individual "arms." Claymore mines are ordnance and not "arms."

If one wants to mount a .50 Cal rifle on his car, I don't have a problem with that.
 
ChattanoogaPhil said:
Yes, I read that thread.

It's generally a list if inattention, distraction, brainfarts and knowing better but didn't do it issues (discipline). And that's what I have been saying all along.

Tell us the details about your last ND. Was it the result of being an untrained "idiot" who didn't know any better that madatory training would have necessarily prevented, or was it more along the lines of what I listed above?
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[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8E_zMLCRNg[/ame]
 
keith44spl said:
If the Texas legislator would add a Open Carry fee (tax) to the bill....

She fly through at the speed of light and the Govenor's signature....why the ink wouldn't even be dry
before they started collecting application fee and fighting over who would be spending the newly found revenue. ;)

Although, it probably won't be the cash cow that the CHLs has been. :rolleyes:

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bite your tongue sir....have had enough of the tax man...sssshhhhh
 
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keith44spl said:
Concealed yes with property owner's permission.....But, how about Open Carry at his BBQ,
can the property owner grant permission for open carry?



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When ya come to Texas, look me up.... you are invited to my home and you may openly carry your sidearm at my place. Texans are allowed to open carry on their private property and the law reads " recklessly" of which must be proven. I hope you like brisket.
 
by the way

as a CHL instructor, Texas does not " teach firearms safety or marksmanship" the course teaches the Law that applies to the use of your firearm. The range work is to confirm both safety and proficiency with the intended carry weapon. You must pass both class room and range quals to be able to obtain your ticket.... and Texas is a "shall issue" state. The printing issue was relaxed a few years ago. I will OC when it becomes law....IMG_0022.jpg
 
CHL delayed

Quote:
Originally Posted by ISCS Yoda View Post
"...Mike, I have read that many times - I'm an instructor, too. But there is a loophole:
That gives them 90 days. You cannot DO anything if they take longer than 60 days, they say they're trying, but they don't have to as long as they get you the renewal in 90 days..."

Me:
"Knowing how all of our government employees "work" , you are most likely correct"
Guess that I'll just have to sit and wait...
Maybe I should take a trip to the range and get over it..."


UPDATE: Called DPS now that it has been 84-days since I submitted my CHL application. DPS now says they got the application but NOT the training course or DD214... Go figure! :eek: I know that I submitted them before.. but such is govt...

Had to re-submit those two documents online WHILE STILL on phone with DPS. They just confirmed they received it (again), so now I wait again... 8-(

Hopefully not as long this time...
 
Side bar - maybe someone can check this - apparently, a bill is also being passed in Texas that disallows an LEO from asking someone about their gun and their CHL just because the sees it. I can't exactly explain what I saw yesterday and I can't recall where I saw it but it was devilishly clever and frighteningly WEIRD!
 
ISCS Yoda said:
Side bar - maybe someone can check this - apparently, a bill is also being passed in Texas that disallows an LEO from asking someone about their gun and their CHL just because the sees it.
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Well... The current CHL law now covers a CHL holder that inadvertently uncovers his concealed firearm.

As for the current Bills being worked on, there's Not a Bill in and of itself... Wording about this (an LEO stopping someone just because they're open carrying) is part of both Texas SB17 and HB910 (the two Open Carry Bills currently in the works).
 
In Oklahoma, open carry is not RAS of criminal activity and is therefore not a reason for police to stop and question a citizen doing so.
 
We're hopeful that OC is passed here in TX and we plan to exercise that right. I've had my CHL for many years and I'm weary of always dressing for concealment. I'd like OC to become the norm and I'll do my part to help that along.
 
Unfortunatly I heard that open carry is not one of the things the Texas Legislature is going to get done this session. They're running out of time before the session is over. We'll see.
 
ISCS Yoda said:
Side bar - maybe someone can check this - apparently, a bill is also being passed in Texas that disallows an LEO from asking someone about their gun and their CHL just because the sees it. I can't exactly explain what I saw yesterday and I can't recall where I saw it but it was devilishly clever and frighteningly WEIRD!
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House bill precludes police queries based on mere possesion/ open carry. Senate bill doesn't include that protection against illegal search by LEO.
 
kbm6893 said:
I thought you were gonna ignore me?

But since you didn't, can I assume that you believe that a person should be able to mount a .50 cal onto the car or string claymore's around their property?

Cause since you can't, gun control already exists. And not trying to insult you, but you chose to live and make your career in one of the most restrictive states. I find that strange.

Have a nice day. I'm loading up my 17 round magazines for my trip to the range on Monday. Hopefully "idiot free"!
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I doubt it will be.
 
ChattanoogaPhil said:
Yes, I read that thread.

It's generally a list if inattention, distraction, brainfarts and knowing better but didn't do it issues (discipline). And that's what I have been saying all along.

Tell us the details about your last ND. Was it the result of being an untrained "idiot" who didn't know any better that madatory training would have necessarily prevented, or was it more along the lines of what I listed above?
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bump this one that never got answered
 
Open Carry Sent To Texas Governor 6-1-2015

Well this has FINALLY happened, and the Governor has promised to sign it.

Texas Legislature Online - 84(R) History for HB 910

House Bill 910 (complete text)

While I recently received my CHL after 4-months and several follow-up calls to Texas DPS, I do NOT plan on openly carrying. I am relieved however, because this will make "printing" and "inadvertent display" a NON-issue when carrying concealed.

My only worry about how Texas legislators have done this (open carry for ONLY licensed holders), is this:
  • Will the mere display of open carry be "probable cause" for LEOs to inadvertently stop you and require/check for a handgun license? :confused:
  • We don't do this for licensed automobile drivers who are legally driving down the road. So will this be different for gun owners?
 
A bunch of us have been following the Open Carry Bills in the 2A forum: OK Texans this is the Bill to Support. HB910 and SB 11 are both set to be signed. I dunno if he has a designated day set aside for signing every Bill that passed this Year, or if He'll sign a few each day.

As to the mere display of open carry being enough "probable cause" for LEOs, there may be a 'Break In Period' for cops (as well as Sheeple) to get comfortable with Open Carry.

For all I know, the simple act of nodding to a Cop with a smile, vs looking uncomfortable and not making eye contact, may mean the difference between being asked for your card and just receiving a return smile and wave.

I feel most sorry for the 911 Dispatchers who will be answering the various 'Man With a Gun' calls.
 
I was concerned as to SB 11 passage.

Some tried to associate this with the HB910 and mistakenly confused this Bill addressing concealed carry on public campuses, as open carry on public campuses.

A few that oppose this Bill, saying a twenty one year old collage student is not responsible enough to carry a concealed firearm on campus.

But agree, that it would be acceptable for that same twenty one year old individual to carry a concealed firearm off campus.

Our collage campuses are increasingly becoming more venerable to the violent outbursts of the criminally insane.

I would not want any young person to be left defenseless at any time or place.

Why would some want to restrict or limit one from being prepared to defend one's self?


Why would some think it would be better to risk our daughter's and son's lives/safety for a little dab of political correctness?

As parents, if our children are not responsible adults by age twenty one...It is our failure to bare.

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As for Open Carry,
We may see this out on the rural route, but not so much in town, I would think.

Glad it passed,

Maybe the post reconstruction days of oppressive firearm laws in Texas are coming to an end.
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RobzGuns said:
As to the mere display of open carry being enough "probable cause" for LEOs, there may be a 'Break In Period' for cops (as well as Sheeple) to get comfortable with Open Carry.

For all I know, the simple act of nodding to a Cop with a smile, vs looking uncomfortable and not making eye contact, may mean the difference between being asked for your card and just receiving a return smile and wave.

I feel most sorry for the 911 Dispatchers who will be answering the various 'Man With a Gun' calls.
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There may be some visibility just because it's new, but my guess is that won't last for long. OC is legal here in Tennessee but rarely see anyone.

Every gun freedom secured that I have seen over my lifetime, all the stress and panic is leading up it. Once it's law, folks soon discover that all the worry was needless. Then gun control advocates move on to the next thing to dread and predict doom...
 
keith44spl said:
I was concerned as to SB 11 passage.

Some tried to associate this with the HB910 and mistakenly confused this Bill addressing concealed carry on public campuses, as open carry on public campuses.

A few that oppose this Bill, saying a twenty one year old collage student is not responsible enough to carry a concealed firearm on campus.

But agree, that it would be acceptable for that same twenty one year old individual to carry a concealed firearm off campus.

Our collage campuses are increasingly becoming more venerable to the violent outbursts of the criminally insane.

I would not want any young person to be left defenseless at any time or place.

Why would some want to restrict or limit one from being prepared to defend one's self?


Why would some think it would be better to risk our daughter's and son's lives/safety for a little dab of political correctness?

As parents, if our children are not responsible adults by age twenty one...It is our failure to bare.

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As for Open Carry,
We may see this out on the rural route, but not so much in town, I would think.

Glad it passed,

Maybe the post reconstruction days of oppressive firearm laws in Texas are coming to an end.
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I may be going a little off topic so please forgive me.
But if we can not trust responsible 21 yr olds to carry guns.We should quit sending them to far off lands to enforce the politcal will of the momet.My son turned 21'in the army shortly before he deployed.My wife's oldest son turned 21 in the sandbox and they are both trustworthy young men
Back on open carry topic. Congratulations to Texas.I do not think open carry will do anything to harm the great state of Texas
 
Glad its FINALLY got this far.

Im tired of the--it passed, no it was amended,it passed,no it was amended,it passed not it was----

Anyway,I see a few who will carry it here but like mentioned above--the novelty will wear off and few will do so. My main thing on it is--I doubt ill open carry--but like the ability to do so if I want to? It used to feel natural carrying but,being its been so long for me--it would take a bit of time getting back in the groove.
 
Anyone here got a link to the final House Bill 910 with all amendments.....

And a quick question for all of you following this passage, when signed into law and
after the date that it becomes effective, does Open Carry apply only to those folks that
maintain a Texas CHL and wither or not the open carry as i.e. pertaining to the Texas Penal Code
and or with any other states that Texas now shares reciprocity of concealed carry licenses, etc...

Allow non-residents from said states to open carry in Texas with the concealed carry licenses from their state of residency?


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