What's the deal with Canik?

Turkey Feast

Thank you for bringing up this Turkish made Canik
Pistol. I went to their website, very nice easy to
use site.

I’m interested in a 9x19mm pistol. I’m currently
leaning towards the S&W Shield Plus or the
Glock 43 series. I think these are slimmer and
a lighter carry pistols.

I will have to check the Canik Pistols out.
Maybe I should do something different.
 
My only gripe was that I found the trigger too light for any kind of serious encounter . Same as the Walther PPQ , great range toy , outstanding trigger for a striker fired gun , accurate . IMHO if one must have a polymer striker fired 9mm the HK VP9 or a Gen 3 Glock 17 / 19 are hard to beat .
 
My only gripe was that I found the trigger too light for any kind of serious encounter . Same as the Walther PPQ , great range toy , outstanding trigger for a striker fired gun , accurate . IMHO if one must have a polymer striker fired 9mm the HK VP9 or a Gen 3 Glock 17 / 19 are hard to beat .

For those that find the Canik trigger too light, an Arex Delta Gen 2 may be more to your liking. It has a very distinct wall in the trigger action, but the trigger face angle at that point in the travel is such that it doesn't seem to disturb your aim. Also, if the idea of a Turkish pistol doesn't work for you, the Arex is made in Slovenia.:D
 
Somewhat related story about workers.

A now friend, runs a detail/tint/wrap/ceramic coat shop in Garner. His business is exploding, so he needs more people.

He offers to pay folks while they learn the trade, and will pay them for all costs to attend factory schools in CA. Airfare, hotels, meals, etc.

He advertises in trade and shop schools, local car clubs, etc etc.

He has gotten a few kids just out of high school and offered them jobs while they decide what they will do with their lives going forward.

A few started off washing cars @$15 hr. He had to train them for that. After showing a couple how to properly vacuum the interior, he checked on their work. Not a one lifted the carpets to vacuum underneath even though that was shown to them. Not that it has to be.

A couple kids wanted $25 an hour to start. No skills.

So, he offered to get them professional training to learn a marketable skill, maybe even to leave afterwards and start their own business after he paid for everything. Not a one could make the cut.
 
Purchased a TP9SF almost 5 years ago for use in local tactical competitions. Great trigger right out of the box. Thousands of rounds with no issues. Compares very favorably to many much more expensive and "elite" brands.

For more information, you might want to try CanikFanatikForum.com.


I tried to join that forum…three times. It demanded that I answer questions, e.g, what is the best Canik for competition?, etc. Stuff that only folks who know about Canik can answer. I failed the test three times. Would not let me register. So, at this point, I’ll pass.

EDIT: I was being an impatient baby. The registration process is annoying but found a way through it.
 
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Somewhat related story about workers.

A now friend, runs a detail/tint/wrap/ceramic coat shop in Garner. His business is exploding, so he needs more people.

He offers to pay folks while they learn the trade, and will pay them for all costs to attend factory schools in CA. Airfare, hotels, meals, etc.

He advertises in trade and shop schools, local car clubs, etc etc.

He has gotten a few kids just out of high school and offered them jobs while they decide what they will do with their lives going forward.

A few started off washing cars @$15 hr. He had to train them for that. After showing a couple how to properly vacuum the interior, he checked on their work. Not a one lifted the carpets to vacuum underneath even though that was shown to them. Not that it has to be.

A couple kids wanted $25 an hour to start. No skills.

So, he offered to get them professional training to learn a marketable skill, maybe even to leave afterwards and start their own business after he paid for everything. Not a one could make the cut.

Been afraid of this for few years. Seems any place for service either in person or on phone just “ have no clue” about business and how it works. The US is in for bad times.
 
Sir, you “ hit the nail on the head”. I have been wondering when our dumbed down education system would ruin this Country. No wondering any more.

I've been in the "higher education" field for a little over 30 yrs.
How things have changed. The school here recently started an "Office for Success" to help students graduate, get jobs, etc.
At least that was the idea!
Now, they harangue faculty to do things like this:
-have tests not count towards the final grade.
-only grade the material that students actually complete, at their discretion, and ignore what isn't done.
-don't grade for poor grammar.
etc, etc.....
Over $200,000 for a four year degree!

What kind of "success" is that? Where do we go from there?
I could grouse about Canik being made in Turkey, but could they build their products here even if they wanted?
Meanwhile, Colt brings back the "improved" Python and many examples of the first run didn't even function out of the box!

The real kicker is this is all by design!
 
With the global supply issue and the potential for a new Cold War in Europe, a lot of American companies are rethinking the wisdom of offshore production and globalization in general.

The good news is that can and probably will bring back a lot of manufacturing jobs, but those companies will need to pay a decent wage to both obtain and then retain skilled labor.

That will mean higher costs for products and that will be vilified as higher inflation. Unfortunately inflation isn’t well understood by most folks and is mostly regarded as a four letter word, especially by companies having to pay better wages.

The point that is missed is that when people in the US are making more money, people in the US have more money to buy US made products. When you keep money in a local community or in a single country, it turns over multiple times and drives the economy far more effectively than spending labor costs offshore and then sending profits offshore, or parking them in investor’s accounts.

What will get in the way of this move back to US based production will be decreased corporate profits in the short term, and reduced dividends for investors in the short term. We are all about the next quarterly profit statement and share value in the US and it’s an attitude that ruined companies like McDonnel Douglas, Boeing, Winchester and Remington. Our derivative income economy is a rathole we’ve been sliding down for the last 3 decades and it hasn’t been working in our national interest.

So keep an open mind.

Remember that as we try to make our economy great again that period of time when things *were* great was the mid 1950’s when the administration implemented high corporate tax rates. It worked as an incentive for corporations to reinvest profits in R&D, skilled labor retention and benefits and improved production capacity and capability, rather than paying high taxes on those profits.

Those rates fell in the 1980s with the idea that lower taxes would allow higher profits to “trickle down”, ignoring the fact it was high taxes that made it trickle down in the first place.


Most importantly as companies move toward bringing production back to the US, remember that we’ve got to make those efforts successful by buying American products, even if they cost a bit more. In the mid and long term, we’ll be much better off and much less dependent on foreign countries and world events.

well said...what would make a huge difference is if the US declared a tax holiday on offshore profits, currently estimated at over two trillion $, allowing our corporations to being them back to the US..provided they were reinvested in company infrastructure, R&D and wages - not shareholder dividends.
Such a tax holiday would do more to stimulate our economy than any other act of congress, and what better time to do it.

As to Canik, shot my friends TP9DA, and had the best trigger out of the box I've personally pulled, and liked the top mounted decocker that put it into DA mode.
 
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It's all because of bloated overhead. I've worked in the Defense and Aerospace industries. The amount of middle management whose entire week work load is on their asses in meetings is appalling.


As someone who holds a job in middle management I can attest to this. You aren’t making real decisions about anything and you aren’t allowed to actually do anything cause you need to be in meetings spreading the gospel of your superiors. Sounds like I need a new job!


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Omitting the politics, the generation gap, and the wage differences, the NRA just tested a top of the line Canik pistol and loved it. There was a line in that story that got my attention - the Canik is apparently the go-to handgun for the Turkish military and for a number of European countries as well. So factor in the concept that military executives favor reliable, simple to operate handguns and you have the reason that the Caniks are so good. All the rest is commentary.
 
Omitting the politics, the generation gap, and the wage differences, the NRA just tested a top of the line Canik pistol and loved it. There was a line in that story that got my attention - the Canik is apparently the go-to handgun for the Turkish military and for a number of European countries as well. So factor in the concept that military executives favor reliable, simple to operate handguns and you have the reason that the Caniks are so good. All the rest is commentary.

And if they are so widely used overseas, and in such large numbers, there is certainly an economy of scale at play.
 
As someone who holds a job in middle management I can attest to this. You aren’t making real decisions about anything and you aren’t allowed to actually do anything cause you need to be in meetings spreading the gospel of your superiors. Sounds like I need a new job!


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All depends on the company. The more top down they are, the less freedom middle management has to actually managed[. Been there, done that.
Also worked for companies that were structured so that senior management provided the strategies, and middle management was empowered to implement them.
Whole lot more rewarding to work in the latter as compared to the former.
 
Canik Fan

I have a Canik TP9SF Elite and TP9 Elite Sub Compact. Canik pistols are made in Turkey and imported by Century Arms. Most of them are only chambered in 9mm.
The TP9 series was originally based on the Walther P99 but much has changed since then. They are rated up to +p ammo and mine seem to like NATO type best. The negative comments I hear about Caniks seem to be ammo related. My SC doesn't seem to like CCI Blazer Brass, which is the only brand that had a hiccup.
As far as fit and finish between S&W and Canik, S&W wins.
Canik have excellent triggers out of the box which has led to my disappointment in my new CSX. I LOVE my new CSX and it feels really good in my hand, I wish my Caniks felt this good. But as far as the trigger, I did expect something more.
 
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These are great guns, for a decent price.

I have one that is a few years old. It is a clone of a Walther P99AS. The Walther P99 is a world class pistol. So cloning it was a good idea.

I would take one to war and be perfectly happy to have it on my hip.

I read an article once that some model of Canik pistol, for military use, in testing must go 50,000 rounds without any parts breakage or spring replacement. If that is true, that is a testament to its durability and reliability.
 
All I know is that NC Beagle owes me money for starting this thread, I just ordered a Canik Rival. :)

It's so ugly it makes a Glock seem classy.

It's so ugly the bullets go faster to get away from it.

It's so ugly I can disable an opponent just by showing him the gun and therefore causing temporary blindness.
 
All I know is that NC Beagle owes me money for starting this thread, I just ordered a Canik Rival. :)

It's so ugly it makes a Glock seem classy.

It's so ugly the bullets go faster to get away from it.

It's so ugly I can disable an opponent just by showing him the gun and therefore causing temporary blindness.

I think my .455 Mark VI Webley has it beat, but that's what makes it so cool.
 
I bought a TP9SF for $299 when they were first introduced in the US and have been nothing but happy with it. Solid yes, CZ quality no, unless maybe onenof their top tier models which I havent handled
 
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