Why the Sigma section is the "Dark Side"

[leejack]

Without getting too deep in the subject, money and ego play a part in all of this stuff. I've owned expensive and inexpensive products in my life and have been satisfied and dissatisfied both ways.

If money were no object in this world I would probably own many more expensive items than I do today, but money is an object so I usually factor in the bang for the buck when I make a purchase.

The sigma most definately goes bang.

 

[Jlduke]

I have had an SD9 for about a year now and I thinks it's pretty great. I bought it as my first point based on the price and the S&W name. I have since bought some 1911's at a much higher price point but I still use my SD9 as my HD gun with a light on it.
I think that the majority of people, like my dad, who knock "budget" guns are mostly just trying to justify the extra six or seven hundred dolars they spent on their Kimbers. It really irks them that we can stand next to them and match their expensive guns round for round with our vastly less expensive pistols.
Don't get me wrong, I have a couple of S&W 1911's that cost me quite a bit and are pretty. I appreciate the higher end guns and I don't fault people for buying them. I do have a bit of an issue when people who buy those high priced guns snub their nose at guns like the Sigma or the SD's.
I many cases those higher prices are not to pay for functionality, but for the brand and appearance of the gun. A good example is Glock. The SD9 will do everything a Glock will do but the Glock is more expensive.

 

[shawn mccarver]

It has come to my attention that the "Sigma" section is not equal to others. I do understand that the Sigma/SD pistols are not the most desirable. Never the less they are a part of the Smith & Wesson family (like a 3rd cousin of your 2nd uncle on your moms side) apparently.


1. Other members of the forum "lurk" around here looking for a reason to beat on us. Yes! We know our Sigmas don't compare to your collection J-frames, 1911s or what have you.

2. Most of us who own and shoot our Sigmas/SDs regularly know they are what they are. A low buck carry weapon and that's it. We know they are not prized collectables or limited edition master pieces.

3. We get the "newbies" that come here only to tell us why our Sigmas are junk. Then try to convince us why their non-S&W firearm is better. Seems to me that stuff doesn't fly on other forums. Try somewhere else and your thread will be deleted and you could be banned from that forum.

Ok. I'll get off my soap box now. Just thought I would point out a few things I find wrong with this section.

I see your point, but will say this in reply: Not all of us feel this way. Within its limitations, the SIGMA is a fine pistol, despite its probably undeserved reputation. The SD pistol is better, having a standard equipment rail and a much better trigger. For the price, it is hard to beat, since you can get two for the price of one of those other models. If something should need repair, you have a replacement at hand while the first one is being repaired. So, there is nothing wrong with this line of pistols. I am not real big on amateur gun designers removing springs from the SIGMA to make the trigger better. That is a bad idea, but left factory stock, these are great pistols for the money and will serve in the intended role very nicely.

 

[a62rambler]

A renowned trainer is quoted as saying the SD was the pistol S&W should have submitted to the trials for a new pistol for a federal agency. He has been shooting and carrying one. I have always felt that a light DAO auto is perfect. The SD9VE that I have has a smooth although a little heavy trigger so I chose it for that reason. My SD9 is my choice as my carry weapon now that it is proven to me. I'm the only one the pistol has to please . It's my * if and when I need it not anyone else's!

 

[shawn mccarver]

A renowned trainer is quoted as saying the SD was the pistol S&W should have submitted to the trials for a new pistol for a federal agency. He has been shooting and carrying one. I have always felt that a light DAO auto is perfect. The SD9VE that I have has a smooth although a little heavy trigger so I chose it for that reason. My SD9 is my choice as my carry weapon now that it is proven to me. I'm the only one the pistol has to please . It's my * if and when I need it not anyone else's!

I would be interested to know the name of the trainer and the name of the agency. Can you tell me?

 

[sidvicious]

Hearing all of these comments reinforces my decision to purchase this weapon. It is my first gun and I couldn't be more pleased. I've put close to 1000 rounds through it in less than two weeks and get more accurate every time I go out. Just got off the phone with Tony at TDR911.com to purchase my custom laser sight (no adapter required) and he was great. Also picked up a 3rd 14 round mag so I should be set. Appreciate all the input and look forward to see ya'll here often.

 

[Deepwater]

My father taught me not to buy the cheapest, but to always look for the best value. When I decided to purchase a handgun for self defense, I looked at a lot of guns, but always came back to the Sigma for its quality and value. To me, a handgun is a tool, and if it performs well and is durable and reliable, then I am pleased (and I am very pleased with my Sigma). I tend to not pay attention to those who bash the Sigmas and SDs - I think many of these folks are either uninformed or looking for a boost to their ego.

 

[stringpicker]

I've owned expensive firearms that turned out to be picky and tempermental to the point that I didn't feel I could trust them as an EDC weapon.

I bought my first SW9VE about two years ago, and now own 3 of them. I wouldn't hesitate to purchase another, if one comes my way for a good price.

With the sear block polished, and having factory springs, it's a very reliable shooter. When people start screwing around with the spring weights, reliability and safety gets thrown out the window.

I keep one in my fishing tackle, one in my toolbox and one on my side. I deem each one as reliable enough to stake my life on...and that's something that some more expensive firearms can't be.

I've abused my first one, meaning I didn't clean it until I had over 2500 rounds through it. Any weapon that can go through that and still fire, is a great weapon in my book!

 

[al45lc]

New here, but here's my .02.
I bought one of the very first Sigma's in .40 cal when I worked at a gun shop in 94', I still have it and it's seen at least 14,000 rds and it still works well and everytime.
I have many guns, so I don't shoot the Sigma as a much as others, but it's still more than the average owner.
I even have a video somewhere of me firing it underwater (just for kicks) against my buddies Glock, both did well. No stoppages or jams of any kind.
Trigger's not the best, but I can shoot it quite well.
I wouldn't sell it.

 

[csioktech]

i love my sd9ve. never shot the previous sigma models but i changed to the apex spring and it is a fantastic shooter. s1mp13m4n i recommend it highly

 

[Harkrader]

I have a SW40F I bought in the mid-'90s. Works fine, hits as accurately as I can shoot it.
Only complaint is the HEAVY trigger. Does anyone have a cure or at least a lighter trigger for it, as there are for Glocks?
-Harkrader

 

[RevTracy]

I will jump in here and add my 2 cents worth. I've had my 9VE for about 10 months. It is my EDC (using an Old Faithful IWB) and I have total confidence in this gun. I've put about 600 rounds through it with NO problem whatsoever. I pull the trigger and it goes bang...every time! I did install the Apex trigger spring kit, which really helped the feel of the trigger. It also helped with my consistency and tighter groups. I recommend this gun to anyone looking for a solid weapon that does what it's built to do...putting rounds downrange when and where you need them.

 

[oldman10mm]

Not a 'hater',just not one of my preferences. A least you got one and shoot,that's the important thing.