Will we ever learn about this Virus !?

[PatriotX]

Local ED had to send ALL of their admitting patients over an hour away, starting last night. The ICU is full, as in at capacity. There is neither enough staff nor enough FDA-approved PPE to cover existing need, and numbers are climbing.


Please tell me again how it's your right to not wear a mask and potentially infect others. If you yell loudly enough, the docs in the PAPR respirators will be able to hear you over the sound of gurgling while they intubate another hoax/faker/crisis actor.

 

[UncleEd]

The entire attitude toward this
virus and how to handle it will
change if/when/possibly major
occupants in and around the
White House become infected.

 

[steelslaver]

Local ED had to send ALL of their admitting patients over an hour away, starting last night. The ICU is full, as in at capacity. There is neither enough staff nor enough FDA-approved PPE to cover existing need, and numbers are climbing.


Please tell me again how it's your right to not wear a mask and potentially infect others. If you yell loudly enough, the docs in the PAPR respirators will be able to hear you over the sound of gurgling while they intubate another hoax/faker/crisis actor.

Its just the media.
Nobody, but those already near death are dying.
Its all about the coming election, even the hundreds of thousands of deaths in other countries.

The liberals did it.

What about my "right" to do as I please, disregard and harm other people???

The people whining about the economy remind me of the yuppie who opened his car door into traffic. Car slams into it. Cops arrive on the scene to find the Yuppie crying about his Porsche. The cop says "Typical yuppie, your crying about your car when your arm has been horribly mangled." Yuppie looks down and screams "Where is my Rolex?"

 

[biku324]

Our cases tripled here yesterday - not good.

 

[biku324]

Like OMG, you quoted a bad person, he is being erased as we speak for crimes against humanity.

I can't believe I had to read that name my eyes, wheres my safe space?...

Well, certainly there's no history like revisionist history!

Abe Lincoln was a vampire hunter. I know it's true - I saw it online!

 

[venomballistics]

Our cases tripled here yesterday - not good.

New Mexico Coronavirus: 11,192 Cases and 485 Deaths (COVID-19 ) - Worldometer
Probably did if you don't do some work to keep your media honest.
Yes, your on an uptrend ... one that looks very similar to the rest of the curves from under restrictions.

The core of my argument isnt one of denying anything or screaming of doom and gloom ... but rather we are paying a hefty price for a result we are not getting.

 

[biku324]

No, in my county, not the state. I had my physical yesterday and my physician told me what the medical society had shared. And the nearby reservation has steadily increasing cases as well. The tourist season started on Memorial Day weekend and suddenly our cases spiked this week.

The big deal here will be medical care in our tiny local hospital.

 

[Absalom]

I'm not getting into massaging specific numbers anymore. The overall picture is pretty clear.

Just about Memorial Day, everybody and his brother seems to have decided that the pandemic was over and they'd go out and reclaim their freedom from tyranny.

And for Americans these days freedom primarily seems to mean doing basically unnecessary stuff in large crowds close to lots of other people without paying heed to any of the basic precautions that reduce transmission.

And just as all of the much-derided experts predicted, now about three or four weeks later, in many of the happy-go-lucky states, things are going to heck in a hand basket again.

Surprise, surprise.

 

[pawngal]

Tourist season......
Prior to Memorial Day my county had 6 or 7 cases, all recovered.
Haven't seen today's numbers but 250 would be a close guess.
Most are in the 18-40 age group. The invincible party crowd.
I'm about ready to go into hiding.
Fortunately tho, the medical facilities here are in good shape if patients need hospitalization.

 

[biku324]

Indeed. And Sweden has exponentially more COVID deaths per 100,000 than any other Nordic country and much higher than ours. Guess that 'herd immunity' thing really was as stupid as it sounded. Mortality Analyses - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center

 

[Doug M.]

I live one county north of Yakima WA. Our county has been very low in comparison to others (although not near as low as the tiny counties in the SE part of the state). This is almost certainly due to the efforts of our Public Health folks to learn as much as they can in a fluid environment where the knowledge is to some extent a moving target, and to educate the community. Folks here have taken significant steps to make sure that they are not part of the problem. Our demographics help, too - we don't have a lot of high risk working environments such as fruit and meat packing. We did have a big outbreak in a canning plant - for that reason, combined with another big factor: most of the folks working there are lower socio-economic status and living close to others of similar occupational and social background.

Yakima is a dumpster fire, or worse. Their case volume has been high; is staying high, and increasing. They have no room in their hospitals for anyone. Period. Patients are being shipped out out to anyplace they can find room.

Then we have some of the incorrect legal claims being made. I've answered this before in greater detail. I do this stuff for a living. I'm a government lawyer. Although I do not represent Public Health, I work with them and my colleague who does their work on a regular basis, usually on issues that overlap with one client agency's interactions with PH. I have been involved in or made aware of the legal issues since early March. Not to near the extent she has - but much more than most other people.

There is US Supreme Court case law well over a century old that addresses and closes off the claims that the emergency powers with regard to contagion do not exist or are unconstitutional. It is simply not a sound assertion, and as far as I know, every case in this state (both state and federal courts) has rejected the attacks. Nationally, as far as I know, the only cases that have found violations and been upheld on appeal relate to process failures - narrow points of State administrative law and practice that were not properly followed. That's likely bad or non-existent legal advice combined with sloth; I see that a lot. As I recall, the Wisconsin case discussed here before (where I think I provided a more detailed analysis) is of that nature. The is generally so clear that I would seek terms/sanctions for frivolous pleadings if we ended up in litigation over this issue (and if we have it, there is a good chance I'll be working with my colleague).

 

[venomballistics]

No, in my county, not the state. I had my physical yesterday and my physician told me what the medical society had shared. And the nearby reservation has steadily increasing cases as well. The tourist season started on Memorial Day weekend and suddenly our cases spiked this week.

The big deal here will be medical care in our tiny local hospital.

NM numbers don't seem to break down to county resolution like NY. So your local situation may very well be the case.
Zooming out to state vs state numbers, the early claim that it dies in hot climates seems to be somewhat true. Case load curves are a bit attenuated in NM and AZ vs NY or NJ ... but also, following the track record of our experts being nothing of the sort, Illinois seems to show cold extremes have been more effective in attenuating transmission.
Any thoughts on this?

 

[UncleEd]

Doug M's posting is quite sobering.

I urge all to read it.

 

[Absalom]

...
Zooming out to state vs state numbers, the early claim that it dies in hot climates seems to be somewhat true. Case load curves are a bit attenuated in NM and AZ vs NY or NJ ... but also, following the track record of our experts being nothing of the sort, Illinois seems to show cold extremes have been more effective in attenuating transmission.
Any thoughts on this?

I don't think the climate as such has been shown to be relevant at all. What matters is the herd behavior induced by the weather and temperature.

Now there is a rather obvious issue that nobody in the "All will be well when it warms up and we all get back out into the fresh air" crowd seems to have considered:

Across the South, both East and West, the sun actually is starting to drive people INDOORS, often with recirculating air circuits providing the "fresh cool" air, which in concrete cases has already been shown to be a potent Covid hose if unknowingly infected people are mingling in those enclosed spaces, stores, restaurants, whatever.

So I don't think the weather, cold or hot, holds any key to salvation.

 

[biku324]

NM numbers don't seem to break down to county resolution like NY. So your local situation may very well be the case.
Zooming out to state vs state numbers, the early claim that it dies in hot climates seems to be somewhat true. Case load curves are a bit attenuated in NM and AZ vs NY or NJ ... but also, following the track record of our experts being nothing of the sort, Illinois seems to show cold extremes have been more effective in attenuating transmission.
Any thoughts on this?

Sweden, whose death rates are way higher than ours. It doesn't get much colder. What worked for the smarter Nordic countries were masks, social distancing, curfews, and closures, not cold weather.

I do see Florida and Texas shut down bars today.

 

[The Big D]

Stop thinking you are gonna die...

...please.

Even if you somehow contract the beervirus there is ZERO need to immediately update your will. Zero.

The death rate is ABSOLUTELY INFINITESIMALLY SMALL. FACT.

BE SAFE...BE WELL.

PS: 'LIVE' your life.

 

[biku324]

Just not in TX or FL bars....

 

[Beemerguy53]

I am as careful as is possible but so much conflicting information out there that the various experts put out ! Have only known 4 people who have had it and they all had mild cases, 80+ to 55 years old . Guess I don't really trust the media,politics may be our biggest problem with the virus.

I'm not sure what experts you're referring to; the only "conflicting information" I've heard comes from people who are not experts on disease, or even in the medical profession.

Can we agree that we trust Dr. Anthony Fauci, the US Government's top expert on this subject? Here he is, speaking today...

(Please note: While the word "politics" appears in the link, the linked video has nothing to do with politics; it's just Dr. Fauci talking about the pandemic.)

CNN Politics - Dr. Anthony Fauci says Americans have a...

 

[The Big D]

Two more weeks? Or is it now...

...a 'few more weeks?'

Fauci has lost all credibility.

Be safe...be well.

 

[The Big D]

Most informed Americans have lost all trust...

...in Fauci.

Two more weeks was his sermon.. now, a few more weeks.



Be safe...be well.

I'm not sure what experts you're referring to; the only "conflicting information" I've heard comes from people who are not experts on disease, or even in the medical profession.

Can we agree that we trust Dr. Anthony Fauci, the US Government's top expert on this subject? Here he is, speaking today...

(Please note: While the word "politics" appears in the link, the linked video has nothing to do with politics; it's just Dr. Fauci talking about the pandemic.)

CNN Politics - Dr. Anthony Fauci says Americans have a...