Police shooting 9mm failed to stop bad guy

[marathonrunner]

I was watching a police shooting where this female cop shot the bad guy armed with a knife 6 times and it was the 6th shot that finally brought him down.

This kind of worried me and now feel the only worthy carry gun is either my Glock 30 with a full size 13 round mag and;\or my Sig P320 full size .357 sig cartridge.

We all heard how in WWII marines shot the bad guys with .45acp and they went down like bowling pins. While ballistics may show 9mm just as effective as .45acp I have my doubts and would rather go with the larger round

Moreover, you look at a Glock 19 and my Glock 30 with a full size glock 21 magazing I got only 2 less rounds than a GLock 19

 

[hogblue]

I still believe the 357 magnum with 125 gr jhp is still number one on the list for one shot stops.

 

[F224]

Without seeing the video or reading the coroners report, it's impossible to to know for sure which round(s) was(were) responsible for the fatal stopping shot.

Had to argue with bigger, faster, and more when it comes to handgun bullets.

 

[CH4]

A 357, 45, 10mm, etc won’t stop a perp in his/her tracks if you don’t put your rounds where they count, especially if they’re under the influence.

 

[biku324]

I was watching a police shooting where this female cop shot the bad guy armed with a knife 6 times and it was the 6th shot that finally brought him down.

This kind of worried me and now feel the only worthy carry gun is either my Glock 30 with a full size 13 round mag and;\or my Sig P320 full size .357 sig cartridge.

We all heard how in WWII marines shot the bad guys with .45acp and they went down like bowling pins. While ballistics may show 9mm just as effective as .45acp I have my doubts and would rather go with the larger round

Moreover, you look at a Glock 19 and my Glock 30 with a full size glock 21 magazing I got only 2 less rounds than a GLock 19

Well, now you're in trouble. The 9 crowd will be around directly to convince you laws of physics are fake news.

In the NMSP we stopped our transition from 357 revolvers to 9mm 5906s after three utterly inadequate results in three separate incidents in short order. The transition resumed when the 5906s were swapped out with 4506s. End of issue.

Ammo was 115 grain Silvertip +P and 147 grain Hydra-shok. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 9mm bullets are better now...so are 40 and 45 bullets.

9mm is cheaper and easier to train on; that's it.

 

[LPD256]

I’m thinking I’ll pass on an opinion for now. Maybe check back in a few days with some chips and dip to eat while I read the comments.

 

[STCM(SW)]

Well, looks like I'll be watching this...

 

[SMSgt]

Well there was the case where the LEO shot a BG 16 times with a .45 before stopping him, and then only because the 16th shot was a head shot. One can argue number of shots and calibers until the cows come home . . . or they don't.

 

[alwslate]

Ah yes a good old caliber war thread Shot placement trumps caliber. There are many cases where a single well placed .25 acp FMJ round resulted in the victim being down and out. So carry what you want and can shoot well.

 

[Loyaljeeper]

The first couple of weeks the Georgia State Patrol had 9mms back in about 2015, they had two OIS that delivered less than spectacular results. Both failed to incapacitate, and one the guy was shot in the face. He was treaded at the hospital and released that day.

 

[6string]

We have no idea how well those 6 shots were placed.
With training emphasis being on volume of fire rather than marksmanship, this might be a significant factor.

When was the last time you heard of a police department sending a pistol team to compete at Camp Perry in the national Bullseye matches?
Not many departments have (or probably want) officers like Harry Reeves, for whom the NRA has named their revolver match. (See pic)

 

[CB3]

I was watching a police shooting where this female cop shot the bad guy armed with a knife 6 times and it was the 6th shot that finally brought him down.

This kind of worried me and now feel the only worthy carry gun is either my Glock 30 with a full size 13 round mag and;\or my Sig P320 full size .357 sig cartridge.

We all heard how in WWII marines shot the bad guys with .45acp and they went down like bowling pins. While ballistics may show 9mm just as effective as .45acp I have my doubts and would rather go with the larger round

Moreover, you look at a Glock 19 and my Glock 30 with a full size glock 21 magazing I got only 2 less rounds than a GLock 19

Basing personal Life decisions on such narrow examples as this is foolish.

It almost strikes me as a troll trying to start a caliber war.

The whole premise of this post is suspect. If it is real, it is certainly misguided. The information presented without any substantiation is absolutely minimal. The reference to 45 ACP putting down enemies in WWII is ridiculous.

Focusing on guns/calibers/bullets is a rookie mistake. So much available information prioritizes training and skill over hardware. Address that and the concerns about caliber go away.

 

[Laketime]

I have only one gun in 9mm and would never knowingly go into a scenario where I might need it to save my life.

 

[Greyman50]

Just reporting an old saying,” if going to a gun fight bring a pistol that starts with 4 and a rifle that starts in 3”. Again, just reporting an old saying.
Sadly most LEO’s departments do not have the $$$ or time to train enough. Most indoor ranges offer Free range time to LEO’s.

 

[BKS]

A VAST majority of police officers could care less about that iron or polymer on their hip, if they aren’t being paid to shoot they will not shoot. Been there done that, taught firearms for 20 years in LE. ‘Hey we will give you free ammo to shoot,’ had to stop that because none would show up. If your shoot him once and it don’t work, keep shooting and maybe shoot a different part of him,

 

[Capt. F.]

I still believe the 357 magnum with 125 gr jhp is still number one on the list for one shot stops.

If I recall correctly from a study a number of years ago, the HP White laboratory agrees with you and so do I.

 

[Oldsalt66]

There are many such cases where individual outliers have withstood an extraordinary number of rounds of any of the effective duty calibers and remained fighting for extended periods despite having suffered numerous good hits.

They're statistically irrelevant.

Choose a defensive handgun in a bona fide duty caliber and train with it.

 

[old tanker]

There are many such cases where individual outliers have withstood an extraordinary number of rounds of any of the effective duty calibers and remained fighting for extended periods despite having suffered numerous good hits.

They're statistically irrelevant.

Depends on whose side they are on. One of "our" guys keeps fighting after they've been shot to pieces, it's in the medal citation.

One of their guys does it, he was "high on something" and/or our weapon and ammo are second rate.

 

[jimmyj]

I was employed by a large Florida Sheriff Department (1990s) and the issued service pistol was S&W M6906 with Gold Dot 115 grain JHP ammo. Free practice ammo as often and as much, and as often as you wanted.
The Department had almost weekly OIS. The 9mm failed big time. Department finally changed to S&W M4506 with Hydro Shock 230 grain JHP ammo. The .45 did great and was a vast improvment over the 9mm.

 

[Old cop]

I survived three on duty shootings in my career w/my issued .38 and a lot of variables go into dropping the bad guy. IMHO caliber wars are a waste, more time & effort should go into training. Most agencies only qualify twice a year, not nearly enough.