Rittenhouse found not guilty on all counts

[326MOD10]

Sure, sure, but he was a convicted felon, up until his felony conviction was expunged. So yes, an expunged conviction is no longer a conviction, except he was previously a convicted felon, so there’s that. What I described in my original post is what I have seen reported, that’s why I described it as, ‘my understanding,’ and I believe it to be credible reporting. That said, I give you that there’s a whole bunch of information out there, I’m beginning to wonder if the sky is really blue!

That said, I think most reasonable people understand that this guy is a dirt bag, with a long, and considerable criminal history, including assault offenses. How about his drunk driving arrest this past January (his second, from what I’ve read). This latest DUI was dropped due to a technicality just days before this trial started. And how about his arrest for prowling/video taping police officer’s private vehicles, in a private parking lot a week before the shooting incident? This guy is affiliated with a left wing militia group whose members have assault charges against an officer. His criminal charges include assaulting his own grandmother for God’s sake. Great guy, I’m sure...!! Well, I wouldn’t want him dating my daughter, would you?

Does his record mean that he deserved to be shot, absolutely not!! His pursuing Rittenhouse with a gun in his hand, and approaching him, when he was down, with the weapon pointed at him earned him that action.

With all due respect I never said I was going out to have a beer with this guy.

I just said from what I have read he was not a convicted felon. Which he isn't if it has been expunged.

If you were on the wrong end of an alleged crime or a suspect in a crime or even a victim (and I said from the beginning this was self defense) and someone was putting out misinformation or incorrect information would you want it corrected?

Or would it only depend on if it fit an agenda or not?

The facts are the facts and while I am sure my "LIKES" will suffer as a result it is what it is.

And in the matter of who your daughter dates I really don't believe that is any of my business.

 

[UncleEd]

Mark Richards, the youth's
attorney. did an excellent
job. But somehow I don't
think he'll be quoted here
very much.

 

[margethatcher]

yea, just obey. That'll work. Go get your booster.

 

[Ugly Hombre]

10 debunked heinous lies about Kyle Rittenhouse: Devine

Outstanding! There is hope for the rule of law and equal justice in our Republic after all!

 

[ACORN]

Stay away from that prosecuting attorney's barber.

I’m guessing wearing a ball cap to court would be bad form

 

[The Last Standing Knight]

I'm not going to say much about this case.

I will say my feelings on it differ far greatly than most I have read here.

I will say that based on the video and testimony , I feel the only "good guy" here was the judge and possibly the jury.

Other than that IMHO there WERE no "good guys" in this whole fiasco of a trial. I saw ineptness in the prosecution to the point they could've been considered de facto defense.

Rittenhouse was a kid going out LOOKING for trouble from the get go and he found it.

'nuff said.

 

[Ranger17]

I will keep most of my thoughts to myself on this case; but after seeing it daily on the local news I would say the entire trial shifted in Kyle’s favor the minute the survivor was put on the stand. His answers when questioned by the defense would have swung any jurist’s opinion, not to mention other evidence. I think the prosecution did a terrible job with the charges filed and the evidence they brought, vs how the defense handled it.
Now if the charges were different or lesser to begin with, perhaps the outcome would have been different as well.
While I am not a lawyer and dont play one on tv, one side definitely was stronger than the other.

 

[kbm6893]

I will say my feelings on it differ far greatly than most I have read here.

I will say that based on the video and testimony , I feel the only "good guy" here was the judge and possibly the jury.

Other than that IMHO there WERE no "good guys" in this whole fiasco of a trial. I saw ineptness in the prosecution to the point they could've been considered de facto defense.

Rittenhouse was a kid going out LOOKING for trouble from the get go and he found it.

'nuff said.

I don’t think he was looking for trouble. I think he was a kid looking to play cop and thought he’d stand around with his rifle like all the others there that night, posing for pictures and hoping to see some stuff so he’d have some war stories to tell. When Rosenbaum chased him he ran, because he was scared. He only fired when he was cornered and it was the instinctive thing to do. Then he ran away, shakily calling somebody and telling them he killed somebody.

His next two shootings were the same. Run until no choice, then fire when cornered. I’m glad it worked out. I don’t mourn the two dead or the Gage guy he wounded. Screw them. But Rittenhouse wasn’t the trained operator some are calling him. He’s a kid with a few hundred rounds (maybe) fired at a paper target who got extremely lucky.

I’d advise him to take his millions from the eventual defamation lawsuits and move away to a more friendly area, and enjoy a hopefully bland existence for the rest of his life.

 

[Deuce Caboose]

Back from the brink… As the hours ticked by, one had to wonder: would the jury have the courage, to vote their conscience. Their lives have forever changed as well. They have literally risked their lives and fortunes in the service of justice. God bless them, and protect them. We all owe them a debt of gratitude.

There should be no doubt, in my opinion, that the game is afoot to reboot and hijack our culture.

These thugs think they are as close as they have ever been to pulling it off.

Kenosha: back from the brink.

Stand your ground.

It’s more important than ever.

 

[JcMack]

Grosskreutz, Huber, and Rosenbaum were agitators clearly there to excite the unruly crowd to riot. Yet in today's society they're portrayed as hero/martyrs. The mopes in this country clearly outnumber those with any sense. We'll see if the mopes decide they're pissed off at the verdict in this case and stage more pre Thanksgiving/Christmas riots.

 

[The Norseman]

In the Garden of Good and Evil

It would be very interesting what happens to the rest
of the Bad Actors that were caught on camera there
looting, burning, and should have not been there
either.

I hope there are more Trials on Thugs that were there,
but unfortunately they will not be Publicized like this one.

 

[old bear]

Stay away from that prosecuting attorney's barber.

I did not pay much attention to the D. A’s haircut until you mentioned it. After looking at several photos of the D.A. and his haircut, I believe that is what is referred to as the “hardworking liberal cut, I am to busy enforcing what we believe the new normal should be. I would also suggest that anyone who wishes to be well presented stay away from his tailor, as well. Just look at the way his suite “pulls” in the back. I’d also hate to see what his shoes look like.

 

[Puller]

Of all the posts that say he had no business being there and had no business having a firearm . . . I hope if my community is being burned, pillaged, and robbed and the cops have been told to stand down, that young people like Kyle Rittenhouse will come out to help. Apparently, by the evidence so far, the adults in America don't seem to have the courage to stop ruffians from burning their cities.

 

[Puller]

Part of the reason we didn't know all this is because it was immaterial to the case. Rittenhouse didn't know those facts about their backgrounds, and that information had no bearing on his decision to shoot them.

It's the same reason why some of Rittenhouse's past words and deeds were not allowed to be revealed to the jury. They had to judge this case only on the evidence of what happened there that night, not what kind of people the defendant or the dead guys were.

So, lets be honest here . . . if Rittenhouse had been a 5 time convicted rapist, or even had a parking ticket in a handicapped spot, do you think MSNBC or CNN would have withheld that information?

 

[SMSgt]

That's irrelevant. Both OJ and Kyle were charged with the local charge variants of murder and both were acquitted. 'Self-defense' is an affirmative defense, not a verdict. The jury only decides guilty or not guilty; a finding of 'not guilty' in a criminal trial is not a bar to bringing tort actions (for wrongful death) in civil court.

In some states, not in mine.

 

[Beemerguy53]

So, lets be honest here . . . if Rittenhouse had been a 5 time convicted rapist, or even had a parking ticket in a handicapped spot, do you think MSNBC or CNN would have withheld that information?

You make a legitimate point, but I was referring to the evidence in the trial, sir, not what was broadcast on cable news outlets.

 

[kbm6893]

So, lets be honest here . . . if Rittenhouse had been a 5 time convicted rapist, or even had a parking ticket in a handicapped spot, do you think MSNBC or CNN would have withheld that information?

If it fit their narrative they would. They downplay the criminal history of everybody that doesn’t fit into their narrative. Travon Martin and Michael brown were angels according to them.

 

[UncleEd]

I see he’s already got a tv interview booked, I think I might lay low for a bit.

Yes, reportedly to be aired Monday
night. A film crew had been working
throughout the trial trying to record
behind-the-scenes material.

Supposedly some of his
defense money was tied to this
filming project.

And a few in Congress have
suggested he be given a job as a
congressional intern.

The continued publicity will do
Rittenhouse no personal good.
He's being set up as a
"Poster Boy" in the cultural debate.

 

[lrrifleman]

Let's look at this case from a slightly different perspective. A number of people believe Rittenhouse shouldn't have been present on the streets that night, and while being there, he was looking for trouble. In one respect, it could be said that he was assisting in the protection of private property, a core concept behind what is perceived to be an American. If we look at the pre-liberal hijacking of the educational community, weren't we teaching our young to cherish and stand up for the American way of life and it's ideals?

I'm not trying to paint Rittenhouse as a patriot, but for those that say that a 17 year old shouldn't have been armed and on the streets of Kenosha that night, how many young people under 21 were active in the Revolution standing for "the American ideals"? Was he not there exemplifying what we have condoned as core tenants of accepted American history?

How many here adhere to the premise that in order to effect change, we have the "soap box, the ballot box, and the ammo box"? For those of us that carry, considering how volatile society can be, do we advocate carrying with an empty chamber, because we're not out looking for trouble? Remember, for every reason that we advance against Rittenhouse not being there armed helping to protect his community is a comparable argument against why we shouldn't be allowed to carry!

 

[Onomea]

While I, too, agree the backgrounds of the three shot by Rittenhouse are immaterial to the judgement reached, I was curious as to how much of what I was reading about them was true.

Most sources on the internet reporting on the topic I had not heard of before. CNN does corroborate some of it. The most thorough attempt I came across to report factually on their backgrounds by a source with which I am familiar is Snopes. While many discount Snopes as left wing, I think they try to report factually.

Here's the relevant section of their write up:

What’s True — and False — About the Victims’ Criminal Histories

The viral claims alleging unlawful behavior by Huber, Rosenbaum, and Grosskreutz before the Kenosha shooting were a mixture of truth and falsehoods.

For example, yes, at age 19, Rosenbaum was sentenced to prison for sexually abusing five children — all boys between the ages of 9 and 11 — in Arizona’s Pima County in early 2002, according to his case file obtained via a public records request by Snopes.

The documents said Rosenbaum was temporarily living with the boys’ parents after his mother had kicked him out for disobeying her rules about one month earlier. Over the course of his weeks-long stay, Rosenbaum molested the boys, showed them porn, and performed oral sex on them, among other offenses, the documents showed. He was sentenced to prison for roughly 15 years, and authorities believed at the time “his risk to recidivate being of great concern to the community” considering the victims’ gender and age. (Let us note here: The records included an interview with Rosenbaum in which he said his stepfather sexually abused him and his brother on an almost daily basis when he was a preteen.)

Considering that evidence, the claim that Rosenbaum at one point was convicted of sexually abusing at least one child before his death was true.

Next, we analyzed criminal records involving Huber, and determined it also accurate to state he was charged with domestic abuse. We uncovered a Kenosha County criminal complaint that outlined his first serious run-in with law enforcement, in December 2012. And per that complaint, Huber, who was 18 years old at the time, threatened his brother and grandmother at their home with a knife, choked the brother, and demanded that they follow his orders. The complaint said the brother wanted to take Huber to a hospital, apparently for emergency mental health help, but Huber resisted. In the end, he was charged with strangulation and suffocation and false imprisonment, both of which are felony crimes.

On another occasion, about three years later, Huber paid a roughly $150 citation or possessing drug paraphernalia, court records showed. Then, in 2018, Huber was charged with disorderly conduct, a misdemeanor offense, after a fight with his sister at their house, per a criminal complaint by Kenosha prosecutors.

But unlike what many Rittenhouse supporters claimed, we could find no court evidence that Huber had sexually assaulted anyone.

Also false was the assertion that all three of the teenager’s victims were felons. Grosskreutz had not committed a felony crime, our analysis of court records showed.

He was, however, found guilty in 2016 of breaking Wisconsin’s law governing the use of dangerous weapons — a misdemeanor offense — per Milwaukee County court records. He had apparently gone somewhere “armed while intoxicated,” though the court records did not elaborate on what exactly had happened. Snopes requested a copy of the probable cause statement from county records administrators, but we have not yet obtained it.

Additionally, Grosskreutz at various points received tickets for minor offenses including disobeying police officers and making loud noises, the court records showed. However, no evidence showed he had indeed committed burglary, like supporters of the alleged killer claimed, though he had been arrested on suspicion of the crime in 2012. The felony charge was later dismissed, per Wisconsin Department of Justice’s criminal data.

In the interview with CNN, Grosskreutz said he has paid his debt for his past crimes and that he had every right to carry a gun at the Aug. 25 protest. “I’m not a felon,” he said. “I had a legal right to possess [a firearm] and to possess it concealed.”

What’s True and False About Kyle Rittenhouse’s Alleged Victims | Snopes.com