This morning’s CEO assassination in NYC

[ladder13]

NYPD has the backpack

NYPD finds bag possibly belonging to UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson's killer in Central Park

Discussing with a retired LE friend yesterday, they probably already know who he is and trying to determine if they were any others involved in some way, without giving a heads up.

 

[BLACKHAWKNJ]

I have read that law enforcement is very careful in revealing information, to protect confidentiality, to ensure evidence is valid and accurate, and to sow doubt in the minds of perpetrators, let them wonder how much LE actually knows.
Yes, Kuklinski was a nasty man but also something of a Baron Von Munchausen. Or a Somerset Frisby from the Twilight Zone episode "Hocus Pocus and Frisby."
Were I to undertake a "hit", I would engage in deception operations-cf. the "Bodyguard of Lies" for D-Day in WWII, the Soviets became very adept at what they called "maskirovana". Leaving a backpack filled with items that cannot be traced back to me but implicate someone else., e.g. A coffee cup with someone else's DNA, cigarette butts-I don't smoke. Shell casings that do not match, etc.

 

[tinkerer]

Murder is wrong. No ands, ifs or butts about it.

But, I just wonder how many here think insurance companies of all stripes are in business for your benefit....

 

[Engineer1911]

This is New York city with how many unsolved murders, homicides, assassinations, and drug killings. Oh, the victim was a multi-millionaire, multi-billion dollar insurance company executive, and deep pockets donor to special causes. His killer must be found. Forty-seven other murders were only recorded as unfortunate events for people who also had families.

United Health Care is the "worst insurance company" according to several people I know in a medical or insurance career field. An angry family member of a dead UHC client committed ultimate act of revenge.

 

[biku324]

42%. Last year, the nationwide homicide clearance rate was 57.8%, as opposed to 52% in 2022. Murder Accountability Project: Clearance by Year

 

[Muss Muggins]

I'm guessing those other murders occurred primarily in places without extensive video surveillance, and in clear view of multiple people known to the victim and the assailant who refused to cooperate . . .

This is New York city with how many unsolved murders, homicides, assassinations, and drug killings. Oh, the victim was a multi-millionaire, multi-billion dollar insurance company executive, and deep pockets donor to special causes. His killer must be found. Forty-seven other murders were only recorded as unfortunate events for people who also had families.

United Health Care is the "worst insurance company" according to several people I know in a medical or insurance career field. An angry family member of a dead UHC client committed ultimate act of revenge.

 

[swsig]

I wonder if the shooter has been identified now that full-face photos have been widely disseminated. Maybe he has been identified, but the authorities are sitting on the info for some reason. If not, it's hard to believe that no one has recognized him. Maybe the false eyelashes and the putty nose were effective disguises.

 

[2152hq]

So it was a manually op 'pistol' used in NYC ??

I take it this is the pistol used in the NYC murder.

Added..
The NYC Spectrum 1 News station mentioned the possible ID of the pistol as a 'B&T Station 6, 9mm pistol' in one of their reports.
I replyed it a couple of times and had my wife tell me what I had thought I heard to confirm their reporting (my hearing is really bad).
Never heard it mentioned again though.


Review: B&T Station SIX-9 Pistol | An Official Journal Of The NRA

One pistol I had never heard of but I knew about the Welrod pistol of WW2 mentioned in the article.
Kind of a rare one for the average part-time weekender hit-man to have.

Manual op to keep it xtree quiet I suspect.

If this violates some Forum rule or already has been discussed, please delete. I didn't see any reference to it when looking at the previous threads.

 

[ladder13]

Hmmm


Bad boy bad boy whatcha gonna do…….


'Net tightening' on UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson's suspected killer: Eric Adams

 

[CZU]

Maybe, I'm leaning that the pistol/suppressor setup didn't have a booster or the ammo was underpowered.

 

[DWalt]

I saw the bounty has been increased to $50K. That should provide a little more incentive. Are rewards considered taxable income?

 

[boykinlp]

I take it this is the pistol used in the NYC murder.

Review: B&T Station SIX-9 Pistol | An Official Journal Of The NRA

One I've never heard of but I knew about the Welrod pistol of WW2 mentioned in the article.
Kind of a rare one for the average part-time weekender hit-man to have.

Manual op to keep it xtree quiet I suspect.

If this violates some Forum rule or already has been discussed, please delete. I didn't see any reference to it when looking at the previous threads.

That's a very interesting article. I had never heard of that type of pistol. I guess that's why we saw the shooter do what he did after shooting the pistol, and makes sense if he indeed used that pistol.
Larry

 

[NY-1]

The general consensus is that this was a standard semi-auto pistol with either a homemade suppressor on it that lacked a piston to cycle the slide, or the manual racking was intentional to keep the action of the gun quieter.

There's an *incredibly* low likelihood that this was a Welrod, B&T, etc. Pure media speculation not supported by the movements/action from the publicly revealed, blurry surveillance footage.

United Healthcare: Not a Welrod - YouTube

 

[DWalt]

I have seen nothing indicating what the assassination weapon was or that it has been recovered. It is almost a 100% certainly not to have been a Welrod or B&T. Pictures released do not provide much identification detail about the gun. Nor has much information about the ammunition been revealed, other than it was 9mm, one unfired round appears to have a RN-FMJ bullet, and some of the cases and/or unfired rounds had words written on them. I really do not understand the reason for that. Also I have seen nothing about recovered fired bullets. I am guessing that there probably are none.

 

[STORMINORMAN]

I think it more likely was a unwise (untested?) combination of ammo, firearm & suppressor...? It appeared to me he was manually operating a slide that was having problems ejecting spent rounds and/or lacking the energy to either feed a new round or reset the trigger?

There would be, of course, potentially little or no ballistic (forensic?) data for an obscure WWII era pistol... Makes things kind of hard to trace?

Cheers!

P.S. Have they even released the caliber of the bullets yet? Must be big enough to engrave on the cases...

 

[petepeterson]

The general consensus is that this was a standard semi-auto pistol with either a homemade suppressor on it that lacked a piston to cycle the slide, or the manual racking was intentional to keep the action of the gun quieter.

I've been shooting for quite a long time. When I have a hang-up with an auto, admittedly, it still takes me a moment to recover.

This gent seemed to be expecting it, and acted accordingly.

 

[diyj98]

I heard one newscaster say it was an "older style pistol commonly available in local gunshops". I know they're generally clueless about firearms, so I'm anxious to find out what he used.

 

[Onomea]

Doesn't look like the rounds he was using would cycle the gun, common with certain suppressors and subsonic 9mm.

I am not familiar with suppressors, but if this is correct, perhaps the killer was accustomed to his gun not cycling on its own and thus appeared to some observers to be expecting it to behave as it did.

Still, that doesn't explain why he ejected live rounds as well...

I think it more likely that he was expecting the gun to cycle, but that when it didn't he knew enough to realize he needed to clear it. In the stress of the moment, he cleared it more than necessary, ejecting live rounds.

I, too, think the obscure gun theory unlikely.

 

[LVSteve]

I've been shooting for quite a long time. When I have a hang-up with an auto, admittedly, it still takes me a moment to recover.

This gent seemed to be expecting it, and acted accordingly.

There's no way that is a Welrod or the B&T restomod. I've seen WWII movies of Welrod training, and the movements are entirely different.

I would wager the shooter got an aftermarket threaded barrel for a popular pistol and built his own suppressor. He likely took it to the woods and found it didn't cycle, hence the manual operation.

 

[Muss Muggins]

Was pointed out two pages of posts ago . . .

I take it this is the pistol used in the NYC murder.

Review: B&T Station SIX-9 Pistol | An Official Journal Of The NRA

One I've never heard of but I knew about the Welrod pistol of WW2 mentioned in the article.
Kind of a rare one for the average part-time weekender hit-man to have.

Manual op to keep it xtree quiet I suspect.

If this violates some Forum rule or already has been discussed, please delete. I didn't see any reference to it when looking at the previous threads.