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For the CS45. I recently used my next to last new CS45 recoil spring. And I saw a thread from a fellow here having trouble locating one. So, I looked around. I figured I'd find him one and get a couple of spares for my self too.

No dice. Nothing on GB or Fleabay. Midwayusa and Numrichs don't have any and are not back ordering. As I perused the board last night and this AM I noticed a multitude of "s&w will make it right!" "...call s&w!" posts and references to the vaunted "lifetime warranty". So I called them.......and sat on hold for 20 minutes. They are BUSY.

Anyways a nice young lady answers and I tell her I need a recoil spring for a CS45 and give her my pistols serial number. Long story short, she insists I need a "recoil assembly". I try to explain that it is not a captive unit like their m&p but just a flatwire spring. She says there are no pictures, just the part number. So I order it and pay her $11.06 shipped. For one. What are the odds I have a CS45 recoil spring coming? ;)

BMCM which Glock flatwire spring are we going to use to run the CS45s? I seem to recall that Springco was less than pleased with the return on their efforts at making us the dual spring replacements for our pistols. Think they may make some flatwire CS45 springs?

Thank you BMCM for all your efforts on our behalf! :) We appreciate you! Regards 18DAI
 
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18DAI, you made out better than me. I also called S&W today, to ask when my CS9 was built (or left the factory). The nice young lady answered my question and when I asked if S&W sold any parts for that gun she said "no, sorry". What's your secret? :)
 
GUILTY. I am guilty.

Doesn't seem like it was that long ago but maybe it was. I also had been looking for recoil springs for my CS9 & 45. I'd been looking a while and someone posted the alert that Midway had them. I jumped on both the CS9 & CS45 recoil springs and, well I bought "a few". Sorry. :rolleyes:

Like 18 my plan was, (and still is,) to have enough and share with others that need them.

I also got "a few" Value Line mag release buttons and springs when again it was brought to our attention here that they were available.

I'm thinking there will be another run of the springs again and I'm sure one of our great members will let us know. Fingers crossed.

Jim
 
Ed58 I didn't bother to ask them about any parts, just CS45 recoil spring.

Midwayusa.com HAS some CS9 parts available. Recoil springs too - as of this AM.

And Mr Randy Lee of Apex Tactical is going to start producing 3rd gen replacement parts, later this year. I will drop him a line about recoil springs too. ;)

And perhaps some Glock recoil springs can be cut down as substitutes, for the interim. Regards 18DAI
 
I've been noticing reports of these CS45/CS40 springs being 'discontinued' lately, and that is certainly a worry, since we have no aftermarket options for them at the moment. That would be great if someone like Apex Tactical started offering them for the CS guns.

IIRC, there was a forum member here who was experimenting with cut-down Glock springs in these guns. Tom 45, was that you?
 
If I had a CS45 here to measure and tinker with...Quite certain I could figure something out. Unfortunately, I don't have one, nor do I plan to add one to my collection.

You see I've had a couple CS40s here for work (dimensions identical to CS45). I found the hand feel of the gun particularly unpleasant. Not remotely enough room on the front strap for my fingers and the two finger grip with my pinky under the mag was annoying with the 4516 baseplate on there. Maybe if there was a baseplate like the CS9 has that accommodates the two finger grip I'd like it better.

Anyway, If someone was willing to 'take one for the team' and lend me a piece for a bit... Then I can measure the spring space at rest installed and at breech open then check around for a suitable replacement.

I'm not sure if SpringCo can make flatwire springs and they may not be willing to play ball given the somewhat tepid response to the run of nested spring they ran off a few years back.

ISMI springs for Glocks and others are too long. Those come in two lengths; 31 coil for the compacts and 36 coil for the duty size guns.

It may take something like a GoFundme/group buy campaign to raise enough scratch for ISMI to twist up a batch sized just for these guns. Along with the measurements on the gun mentioned above, I'd need a new uninstalled spring to measure as well to determine the spring force at breech closed and at breech fully open (slide hard to the rear)

I think a quick fix off the shelf solution is the Wilson Combat #22 flatwire they sell for sub-compact 1911s

Flat-Wire Recoil Spring | Sentinel« | 22#-https://shopwilsoncombat.com/

That spring fits and is the same part I use when converting a CS40 to 10mm Auto but, Given that I've never personally run a CS45 fitted with this spring I cannot comment on function or reliability. Works ok for 10mm though.

Cheers
Bill
 
Thank you sir! :)

I'm currently using my CS45....every day. BUT - come warm weather (March locally ;) ) I'll go back to the CS9. So I am willing to send it to you to tinker with along with my last new - uninstalled, spring.

I will Email you to see when a good time for you would be. Question for you. IIRC, regular CS40 top ends will run on a CS45 frame. If the Wilson Combat spring installs with no binding in a CS40 frame, should it not also go into a CS45 frame? Without binding?

I don't know the weight of the CS45 OEM recoil spring. I think 22lbs may be too much. Is it possible to lower the 22lb resistance by cutting coils off?

Thanks for tolerating my laymans/shooter/end user questions! ;) Best regards, 18DAI
 
I would be interested in at least a couple new CS45 springs or useful instruction how to modify a Glock spring to achieve the same thing.
 
18DAI said:
And Mr Randy Lee of Apex Tactical is going to start producing 3rd gen replacement parts, later this year. I will drop him a line about recoil springs too. ;)
...Regards 18DAI
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Ok 18DAI, this is some news here... spill it! What do you know? Are we getting improved Apex parts now? Is this gonna be like how Cajun Gun Works is to CZs or is this just a few little parts here and there?
 
DMcBB here is what Mr Lee has told us, over on another board. He is VERY busy currently, making parts to give current production pistols everything the factory couldn't be bothered to. ;)

But, he said (on another board) he will be making drop in trigger kits, new hammer and hammer springs and, hopefully, some replacement drop in barrels.

We are hoping and requesting Apex make replacement consumables like recoil springs, ejectors and mag release parts. No word yet from Mr Lee on what final products will be available.

Mr Lee points out that currently, 3rd gen parts are still plentiful and readily available from various sources. So there is no "rush" to make parts at this point. As soon as he reveals more info and says to put it out, I will post and share it here in this section of the board. Thats all I know at this point. ;) Regards 18DAI
 
Thank you Redcoat3340! :) We CS45 users appreciate it.

Oh, good choice on the CS45 too! ;) Regards 18DAI
 
Go look up the Company, "Lee Spring". They just popped up as an ad on my Facebook. They appear to make springs for ALL kinds of things! This should be a very simple thing for them, or some spring making company.
 
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