$799 for a 4” 586 Classic?

[SWFan27]

Gotcha. An error by Sportsman's Warehouse, presumably.

All the same, even some offerings with proper "Performance Center" designations don't receive trigger tuning -- the 442, 642 and 640 Performance Center Pro Series, for instance.

This video here is one of the sources that I came across before I purchased my new Model 19 Classic, which states that the S&W Performance Center had some involvement with it before it left their doors. And as I said before, Sportsman's Warehouse listed it as a Smith & Wesson Performance Center Model 19 357 Magnum 4.25in Polished Blued Revolver - 6 Rounds

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[jcs266]

How long will you look to find another one as nice for less money? If you want it and can afford it, just buy it and be happy.

Exactly. That's a good to decent price. If you like it and have the money buy it. Who cares about $50 or $100? You pay that for a tank of gas or a steak dinner. You're not gonna miss it a month or two from now to try and quibble over saving a lil money.

If I like something I buy it. I don't agonize over the price too much as long as it's not absurdly high. I use and enjoy things in life.

 

[Yendor357]

Man, that’s a good looking gun. I’d buy it, hilary hole and all.

 

[Hapworth]

This video here is one of the sources that I came across before I purchased my new Model 19 Classic, which states that the S&W Performance Center had some involvement with it before it left their doors. And as I said before, Sportsman's Warehouse listed it as a Smith & Wesson Performance Center Model 19 357 Magnum 4.25in Polished Blued Revolver - 6 Rounds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmzDmXkYX-g&t=690s

The Model 19 Classic is not a Performance Center gun. Gunblast is mistaken, though I think in earnest: he references earlier N-frame Classic models that were definitely out of the Performance Center and were stamped and officially marketed as such; they were limited, for Lew Horton, and are long gone.

Not so the Model 19 Classic Series -- or any of the Classic Series line now -- a fine, standard production S&W revolver.

 

[SWFan27]

The Model 19 Classic is not a Performance Center gun. Gunblast is mistaken, though I think in earnest: he references earlier N-frame Classic models that were definitely out of the Performance Center and were stamped and officially marketed as such; they were limited, for Lew Horton, and are long gone.

Not so the Model 19 Classic Series -- or any of the Classic Series line now -- a fine, standard production S&W revolver.

He is saying the PC worked on the trigger for the Model 19 Classic. He is not saying that it is stamped as a Performance Center created and built revolver. Sportsmans Warehouse listed the same SKU MPN 12040 and Performance Center listing as this gentleman did in his video here. I do not think they are pulling their information out of thin air. I believe they get their information directly from Smith & Wesson or their sales reps.

 

[Hapworth]

He is saying the PC worked on the trigger for the Model 19 Classic. He is not saying that it is stamped as a Performance Center created and built revolver. Sportsmans Warehouse listed the same SKU MPN 12040 and Performance Center listing as this gentleman did in his video here. I do not think they are pulling their information out of thin air. I believe they get their information directly from Smith & Wesson or their sales reps.

Gunblast did not just say the trigger is PC tuned, he referred to it as a Performance Center gun, and in line with the same Classics Series that were from a limited Lew Horton order, which it is not, nor are any of the current Classics Series.

Sportsman's Warehouse is the only retailer referring to this model as a PC one -- no other distributor or dealer does, and S&W doesn't either.

S&W isn't going to add the time and expense of putting any of their guns through a Performance Center tune and not make that a significant part of their marketing -- like they do for every other model that gets PC tuning -- and with a price reflecting that, just like VW wouldn't put Porsche engines in Jettas and not mention it.

 

[SWFan27]

Gunblast did not just say the trigger is PC tuned, he referred to it as a Performance Center gun, and in line with the same Classics Series that were from a limited Lew Horton order, which it is not, nor are any of the current Classics Series.

Sportsman's Warehouse is the only retailer referring to this model as a PC one -- no other distributor or dealer does, and S&W doesn't either.

S&W isn't going to add the time and expense of putting any of their guns through a Performance Center tune and not make that a significant part of their marketing -- like they do for every other model that gets PC tuning -- and with a price reflecting that, just like VW wouldn't put Porsche engines in Jettas and not mention it.

Watch the video again. At the 4:23 point in the video he does say that it is a Performance Center tuned trigger. And he also mentions it being Performance Center tuned action a little after that. Perhaps at the time this video was released it may have only been available through the Performance Center. The Model 19 Classic was released in 2018. This video was released sometime after that.

I have seen other places as well online that claim the Classic Series has trigger work done by the Performance Center. Maybe they all pulled their information out of thin air. You are welcome to not believe any of them. None of the Classic Series could be considered inexpensive or Jetta money. Enjoy your new year.

 

[Hapworth]

Watch the video again. At the 4:25 point in the video he does say that it is a Performance Center tuned trigger. And he also mentions it being Performance Center tuned action a little after that. Perhaps at the time this video was released it may have only been available through the Performance Center. The Model 19 Classic was released in 2018. This video was released sometime after that.

I have seen other places as well online that claim the Classic Series has trigger work done by the Performance Center. Maybe they all pulled their information out of thin air. You are welcome to not believe any of them. Enjoy your new year.

I watched it. And then I watched it again. He refers to the 19 as "from the Performance Center" twice before he says anything about the tigger tuning specifically.

Sportsman's Warehouse is the only online seller calling it the "Smith & Wesson Performance Center Model 19 357 Magnum 4.25in"; there are a couple gun tracker sites that call it that -- apparently because Sportsman's Warehouse does.

It's a mistake. They don't know better than the manufacturer what model it is. Every other online seller correctly refers to it by S&W's actual name, as used on the S&W website: The Model 19 Classic.

People considering any of the current Classics Series deserve to know what they're getting and not be mislead into thinking they're getting something else. Until S&W calls it a Performance Center model, or advertises it with a "PC tuned action", it isn't.

I've no doubt your Model 19 Classic is a fine wheel gun. Enjoy it, and a Happy New Year to you as well.

 

[AlHunt]

The question then, really, is "would you buy that gun for $99 plus tax?"

Unless you're a reloader, you'll throw that away on 2 or 3 boxes of ammo.

Also, recall all the horror stories about guns having to go back to the mothership multiple times and ask yourself if a hands on inspection is worth a hundred bucks.

Or, maybe add this one to the "one that got away" list.
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[bill-in-texas]

The “asking” price is actually $899… ‘Never happening!
We settled on 7 bills, out the door.

-Bill

 

[The Norseman]

Nice Classic Move

Congratulations! From the pictures you’ve
shown I too like that S&W.

One tip: You usually don’t have to use harsh
chemicals to clean/preserve the exterior
finish. To make cleaning easy I use those
Rounds (Cotton Eye Makeup Remover Rounds)
and only Synthetic motor oil (it stays nice,
doesn’t ever gum up/harden, lays down a
nice preserving barrier).

Please give a Range report when you shoot it.

The Best to you and your Endeavors.

Make up Rounds

 

[SWFan27]

Congratulations on your new 586!

 

[Bim]

$700 OTD is a fair price. I would not have looked twice for $899. Good revolver. i have a -4 but the new ones i handled all seemed real nice. good luck with it.

 

[hdfinder47]

I really like the grips!

 

[SWFan27]

$700 OTD is a fair price. I would not have looked twice for $899. Good revolver. i have a -4 but the new ones i handled all seemed real nice. good luck with it.

I agree that $899 for a used revolver that could be purchased new for $40 dollars more is not worth the price. But $700 is a great score in my opinion. My newer Smith & Wesson revolvers are all great shooters that will last a lifetime and longer.

 

[bill-in-texas]

Thanks for the feedback, everyone.
I am always on the lookout for non-ILS S&W revolvers, usually N-frames. This is my first L-frame, ILS or otherwise.
For $646.65 plus tax, I am happy.
-Bill

EDITED: I contacted S&W CS about the short screw in the rear sight base. (The cause of the leading edge cylinder fouling, seen below.) He is sending me another one. I asked if it would be longer, and he replied it should be the correct length.
We shall see.

 

[SWFan27]

I have found that Ballistol wipes or a little on a soft old tee shirt, work well and safely to clean and protect the blueing on the new Smith & Wessons. From what I hear, you were able to use cleaning products on the blueing of the older S&Ws that can potentially harm the finish on the new ones. Ballistol has been working well for me on my Model 19 Classic. Have fun with your new baby.

 

[Hapworth]

...From what I hear, you were able to use cleaning products on the blueing of the older S&Ws that can potentially harm the finish on the new ones....

This is correct. Updated EPA regulations forced S&W to alter its bluing method.

Pre-lock blued guns do fine with the usual gun solvents and cleaners.

Modern era blued S&W guns require non-ammoniated cleaners or the finish will damage.

 

[Beju]

This is correct. Updated EPA regulations forced S&W to alter its bluing method.

Pre-lock blued guns do fine with the usual gun solvents and cleaners.

Modern era blued S&W guns require non-ammoniated cleaners or the finish will damage.

I posted this elsewhere, but I'd like to see a switch to a DLC finish like is used on the Gen 5 Glocks. It seems to be a durable, dark finish, and you can get a shiny look with PVD finishes by polishing the surface beforehand (Cryptic Coatings does this with their coated AR BCGs).

It's not the old bluing, but as you said, neither is what S&W is able to do right now.

 

[Mehutch]

You won't see this one very often. My 586-7 4"-barrel 7 shooter is a fine gun that I bought for $600 bucks in 2006. It has the 'Plug' and is a fine shooter, love it.