Can we discuss NY reload and carrying 2 revolvers?

[ImprovedModel56Fan]

AimHigher, spot on!

In thirty (30) years of big city crime fighting NEVER had a need for a second handgun...ever.

Moreover, in many hundreds of hours of range time I have NEVER had a non-intentional fail to fire or misfire.

Be safe.

In fifty adult years of big-and-small-city-non-crime-fighting, I have never had a need for a first handgun (except for that one cottonmouth in eastern NC, outside the city, when the floodwaters rose - TC Contender .44 HotShot cut him in half). Doesn't mean I don't carry a gun.

I, too, have hundreds of hours of range time. I HAVE had misfires, even with revolvers (at least two, NOT counting old ammo, and one of them tied up the revolver completely - a pierced primer with a 547 and new commercial ammo). Autos?

When I carry an auto, I carry a second gun. When I carry a revolver, I SHOULD carry a second gun, but I don't always.

OP: The first place to carry a second gun is on the ankle. More accessible when seated, accessible in an automobile. For a NY reload, pick what works for you, and practice. Your appendix carry is already not the most common, although there are many points in favor of it. It might be my first choice for third gun. You should pick one of the common choices for first gun. Not sure I even understand why you are asking everyone else's opinion on where to park your second gun, since you didn't follow their opinions on where to park your first one. Not saying you are wrong, at all, just wondering why you asked.

 

[ImprovedModel56Fan]

My only issue with carrying in my coat pocket is: What do you do when you take your coat off indoors? Doesn't seem like a good idea to leave it in the coat. And pulling a gun out of your coat pocket in the church foyer might not be ideal. And you'd have to have a second place to put it.

Go straight to the little boys' room, like you need to. Have a second place to put it. Ankle? Other ankle?

Check with StakeOut to be sure, but my limited experience with guntoters, and people in general, is that folks smart enough to carry a gun where it might be needed are smart enough to figure out how to do so.

 

[silversnake]

I like having a backup in case you can't physically access your primary, or have a malfunction that you don't have time to fix, or you have to arm a second person. I'm not that concerned about ammo capacity, you almost never hear of a concealed carrier having to fire more than a few rounds or reload.

To me the best backup is a snubby revolver in your pocket, something you can get a grip on without anyone noticing and that still works at contact distance.

 

[StakeOut]

In all my years of shooting I never had a center fire pistol round fail to go bang.Not true with rim fire.

Those 100+ degree days are plentiful here in Texas so when I'm in just a T-shirt,shorts and flip flops I only pocket carry my SR22 loaded with 10rds CCI HS ammo.

I'm confident enough in myself and the weapon to rely on it's 10rds and a spare mag.

In range practice I sometimes use Federal Champion blue box ammo to practice jacking the slide from semi auto failures due to ammo.

That Federal Champion is ****.

 

[ImprovedModel56Fan]

In range practice I sometimes use Federal Champion blue box ammo to practice jacking the slide from semi auto failures due to ammo.

Every thing has a purpose in life.

 

[blues7]

That Federal Champion is ****.

Funny, I haven't had any problem with that ammo (9mm) but have recently had some issues with Blazer Brass. (The last box out of a case was severely under powered to the point of a variety of malfunctions with a G-19.)

You just never know.

 

[haywood]

Thanks to jimmyj and StakeOut for giving this info.

I read those books,actually I read them twice. I like them a lot.

 

[ABPOS]

OK, I'll try to be respectful when answering this questing but I'll admit, you got my ire up.

I didn't think I saw ALL people telling me to carry strong side in this thread. I should maybe go back and look if that is really the case. So... using your logic I'm supposed to do whatever people have said here? I can't ask to figure out what good ideas are out there and make up my own mind and do what I feel is best for me?

AIWB has been recommended by people that seem to know a thing or two. I just put a link up in my last post to a well known snub revolver training guy who said he carries AIWB and ankle. AIWB seems to me to be common. An article written in the American Handgunner 2014 Special Edition Tactical Annual by a gentleman named Robert Kolesar recommends carrying a snubby AIWB. Which that article, incidentally, has a picture I took of my Colt Detective special. It's the biggest picture in the article and I'm infinitely proud of that.

I don't think you'd have to look real far for someone to consider AIWB a common, primary spot to carry a firearm. I had carried 4 oclock for several years after getting my CCW but recently changed and find it superior in a LOT of ways. For ME.

So, you're not sure why I asked. Aaaah, to learn? And if I'm doing something wrong, I'm more than willing to be challenged, think about it and change. I changed to AIWB because I find it better for me. And it was / is taught by some people that seem to know what they are talking about. If AIWB doesn't work for you, I've got no problem with that. I'm not sure why you have a problem with me carrying AIWB. I do learn from hearing and seeing what other people do. That seems pretty self explanatory. Obviously a good class taught by a trustworthy instructor would be the best place to learn something like this. But I didn't think it would be a bad thing to ask here.

Secondly, I thought I was clear in asking how people might employ a New York reload, regardless of where they are pulling their guns from. Although where you are wearing it might influence how you actually use the second gun. As is the case of an off hand pocket and using your support hand to employ it. But discussing those things was what I was after.

And lastly, since I'm trying to learn, can you recommend a good ankle holster for a J frame.

And since I'm getting it all out, you said why am I asking people's opinions since I didn't follow their advice about where to carry the primary". How in the earth was I supposed to change to what people said in this thread before getting the answers? If I have been doing something one way, and then asked questions here, you're telling me I didn't follow their advice to begin with. I just asked 2 days ago....... I'm confused..........

I admit, sometimes it takes me a while to see things in the proper perspective, so I apologize if my brain is in low gear. But your statements have me baffled. Now the part about ankle carrying, that I got. And does seem to be a suggestion worth looking into.

I get the impression that somewhere I offended you with my comments. I was not trying to be disrespectful to anyone and I'm sorry if my questions came across that way. And I'm guessing if I didn't offend you with those other ones I probably did now with this post. But it sure looks to me like you're expecting something from me that isn't there to be had. Like "following everyone's advice". That I just received.

OP: The first place to carry a second gun is on the ankle. More accessible when seated, accessible in an automobile. For a NY reload, pick what works for you, and practice. Your appendix carry is already not the most common, although there are many points in favor of it. It might be my first choice for third gun. You should pick one of the common choices for first gun. Not sure I even understand why you are asking everyone else's opinion on where to park your second gun, since you didn't follow their opinions on where to park your first one. Not saying you are wrong, at all, just wondering why you asked.

 

[ABPOS]

In all my years of shooting I never had a center fire pistol round fail to go bang.Not true with rim fire.

Those 100+ degree days are plentiful here in Texas so when I'm in just a T-shirt,shorts and flip flops I only pocket carry my SR22 loaded with 10rds CCI HS ammo.

I'm confident enough in myself and the weapon to rely on it's 10rds and a spare mag.

In range practice I sometimes use Federal Champion blue box ammo to practice jacking the slide from semi auto failures due to ammo.

That Federal Champion is ****.

This is kind of encouraging. I had actually toyed with the idea of having a .22 snubby to train with that double action pull and accuracy, and actually carrying it as a BUG. Better than a sharp stick, eh?

 

[mr-mom]

A most enjoyable and informative thread. Thanks to the OP for initiating it. I've read Jim Cirrilo's books and found them to be full of great stories, ideas, thoughts, and laughs. I've carried a Model 36 AIWB for many years, along with a Model 637 in my off side front or cargo pocket, and speed strips in my strong side pocket. Being aware of my surroundings is always my first line of defense. It takes time, experience, and effort to learn how to best equip oneself. Some might think I'm being overly cautious, however, I just figure this old fart is only evening the odds somewhat.
Be safe out there.
Dave
SWCA #2778

 

[Mister X]

I have previously carried two J-frames on occasion, but no longer do so.

As an armed civilian, my goals and directives are very different from those of an LEO. I want to avoid, disengage and use my firearm as a last resort to get me out of trouble and bad situations whereas a Cop must intentionally pursue and engage. Firepower needs are often likely going to be very different.

You could argue that it doesn't hurt to have extra firepower and that's pretty much true in the form of reloads, but when carrying an additional firearm, it's another weapon that you must retain.

I once had a student that preferred to carry two tactical folders, one in each front pocket. His thinking was that he could always access one or the other no matter what position he found himself in and worked extensively to be able to quickly draw and open them with either hand in various standing or ground scenarios. While his thinking was correct in that it gave him more options to always have a weapon accessible, it also meant that one would likely always be accessible to potential assailants in an entanglement or ground situation.

The same principle applies to carrying firearms. Being involved in a firefight, let alone one involving more than 5 rounds as a civilian is extremely rare whereas a scenario where you have to defend against an unarmed attacker(s) is a much higher probability and you definately wouldn't want to inadvertently arm them. Carrying only one weapon gives you more options to employ guarded positions and work angles to better protect and retain your gun.

My current thinking is this...My choice is to carry one firearm and it's usually a revolver. If I felt I truly needed more rounds for some reason, I would probably opt for a higher capacity weapon rather than carry an additional weapon.

It's a trade off either way.

 

[njr]

I've been carrying for three years and live on the Northside of Chicago in a relatively safe area
Only 138 aggravated assaults in 2016 in my beat.

Had occasion to employ my snubby once against a shtarker sent by a right wing Polish butthurt who didn't like left wing Byelarussian Jews. Didn't have to draw, kept it in the pocket, indexed on the shtarker, let him exit the gym ahead of me.

Regarding emptying gun into attacker: trained a few weeks ago with John Farnam. He had me shoot 3, move and scan, shoot one more, move and scan. That way you have one in reserve. That said, unless and even if you train I've heard it said you'll fire twice as many as you think you have. That's why I carry a new york reload in addition to a fixed blade and one ounce can of fox pepper spray. And a small 100 lumen flashlight.

Right now it's 36-1 iwb cross-draw on left and a 638 ankle- jacket pocket.

May switch to P-32 right pocket, snubby left cross draw in warmer weather if P-32 is reliable coming back from Kel-Tec.

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[StakeOut]

I read those books,actually I read them twice. I like them a lot.

I was tempted a few times to read them especially after I learned of Jimmy's death but I'd like to remember him and other people just as they were.

As great as JC was with his weapons the man that I'd want next to me when the lead was flying is not mentioned too often,Bill Allard,a Stake Out Unit member from beginning to end.

Bill liked his 1911 and used it with extreme accuracy.

When the unit was formed I was probably the youngest member.I'm 74 now.

 

[ImprovedModel56Fan]

ABPOS,

Sorry you are offended - that was not my intention, although it does appear that that was the effect. I thought I made it quite clear that I had no problem with your choice of position for your first gun. Want a NY reload? Carry in one of the other positions you passed up, and practice going to it. I think I said that.

Best ankle holster is Renegade. I believe that Wilderness Products, or some such, is the name of the outfit that now sells them.

Good luck.

 

[keith44spl]

I always carry two...........And have lived to tell about it !!!


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[Walkingwolf]

Call me paranoid, but I have three fire extinguishers in the house. Thinking of installing a sprinkler system also.

But I am one of those people that checks three times that the door is locked. Turn off every appliance that can be turned off when asleep, or not home. Drive with a seat belt, check my blind spot before changing lanes.

Yes I carry two revolvers also.

 

[njr]

Other considerations: if you front pocket carry like I do in the summer gun weight vs size vs reliability may be a consideration.

My 638 can work but it can also be too big in pocket depending on how heavy the fabric of the shorts is and how non permissive the environment is. I prefer flatter, lighter, smaller for the pocket.

The P-32 may work but I'll have to test it back from the factory. Otherwise maybe an LCP2 or RM380.

With the airweights Farnam recommends nothing over 100 grains as recoil degrades accuracy and follow up shots. I think he's right on that at least for distances past 12 feet.

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[Walkingwolf]

In NC a CHP is for handguns only, no other concealed weapons. BUT you can carry as many as you want. I believe in most states there is no limit to the amount of guns a person can conceal. Unless the person used more than one gun in SD, it should not be an issue in court. Except for liberal states most police support carry, and the use of firearms in self defense. Outside of a shooting how would anyone know who is carrying more than one concealed handgun.

 

[Lee's Landing Billy]

Have carried for 40+ years legally. As I have said, the 2 have varied but always 2. I feel I should clarify why always 2. NOT for more ammo but in case my primary goes down. The 2 I currently carry have a total of 12 rounds. If it was an ammo decision, I'd just carry one gun with 12 rounds. That's not it for me, never has been. I've owned over 100 cars in my life and I have never had a flat tire in 55 years+ of driving. I always carry a spare tire.

 

[ABPOS]

Interesting thought on the grains..... I don't even know what's out there under 100 grains. I think Hornady makes a 90 grain critical defense light, but that's the only one I can think of off the top of my head......

But my 442 would work for pocket carry as you are saying. I would just switch out my grips to boot grips. I've got my eye out for some kind of trade (thinking about trading my G26) to make for a steel snubby of some sort. I really like the bodyguards. Or a 640... I like the 36/60 but sometimes practicing with my DS the hammer spur will catch on my clothes if I'm not careful enough to lift them up as much as needed. Of course you can get the spur bobbed though.

Other considerations: if you front pocket carry like I do in the summer gun weight vs size vs reliability may be a consideration.

My 638 can work but it can also be too big in pocket depending on how heavy the fabric of the shorts is and how non permissive the environment is. I prefer flatter, lighter, smaller for the pocket.

The P-32 may work but I'll have to test it back from the factory. Otherwise maybe an LCP2 or RM380.

With the airweights Farnam recommends nothing over 100 grains as recoil degrades accuracy and follow up shots. I think he's right on that at least for distances past 12 feet.

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