GLOCK FAILURES IN GUNFIGHT

[jimmyj]

Hi:
From previous posts forum members know that I have three immediate family members with the Saint Petersburg Florida Police Department that were in involved in the shooting incident where three officers were shot with two of the three killed.
Telephone conversation with one this P.M. discovered that the Agency's issued Glock Model 22 .40 S&W did not perform to expartations.
The officer rescue squad had number of FTF/FTF malfunctions while firing at the lone suspect hiding in the attic. These Glock Model 22s are ten years old and have had many, many rounds fired though them.
This happened to several of the Glocks involved in this shooting incident.
The weapons that worked perfectly were shotguns and AR-15s.
It will be interesting to see if new Glocks will be issued or another different manufacturer.
Jimmy

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

With all the many many rounds fired through them over 10 years they worked fine... then choked when shooting at a bad guy? Recent ammo change? Or?
I'm assuming the guns and ammo used were not chronic problems over the 10 year period that simply went unaddressed.

 

[venomballistics]

With all the many many rounds fired through them over 10 years they worked fine... then choked when shooting at a bad guy? Recent ammo change? Or?
I'm assuming the guns and ammo used were not chronic problems over the 10 year period that simply went unaddressed.

I'd think a "not of the arm proper" issue reared its ugly head. perhaps ammo being the most likely as there could be a difference between duty and practice ammo. could also be environmental as well ... FL is good for salt spray and corrosion along its shores. I can see how duty ammo, left un inspected could grow a little green around the gills and choke at go time.
then again with some departments allowing officers to carry 1911's as duty weapons now, the Glocks may be suffering from low self esteem and their feelings of inadequacy could have lead to performance anxiety

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

then again with some departments allowing officers to carry 1911's as duty weapons now, the Glocks may be suffering from low self esteem and their feelings of inadequacy could have lead to performance anxiety

Neither my 17 or 19 suffers from performance anxiety.

 

[RdrBill]

Sir.
I was never a LEO, so I won't armchair quarterback their decision to have Glock in hand. Police tactics are not my speciality.
I was Marine, if ambushed, any weapon will do to return immediate fire. If given an opportunity to select weapon before engagment, get an offensive weapon, not a defensive weapon. Get more than enough fire power to win.
Bill@Yuma

 

[tom turner]

Maybe it is time to go back to the 686!

 

[Andy Griffith]

Goes to show those of us who are unwashed in the Austrian plastic glow- that it is just like any other piece of machinery made by man...it may fail just like anything else.

It's just a gun- like all the others. Some people prefer it, some do not.

 

[Harrison]

Never take a pistol to a gunfight, if you can carry a rifle or carbine, or shotgun..

There are documented instances of Glocks going over 150, 000 rounds without a malfunction. I would look at ammo, and magazines. Mag springs will get weak, especially if not rotated.

 

[gamedic]

A few years ago an officer near here lost his Glock during a struggle. The bad guy tried to pick the pistol up. All the officer could do was try to hold the gun on the ground as the bad guy had the better grip on the gun. Another officer came up and put his Glock in the bad guys back. The bad guy would not give up the fight so the officer pulled the trigger. Nothing happened. He racked the slide and put it back in the badguys back and pulled the trigger again. Still no bang. He gave up trying to shoot him with the Glock and just hit him over the head with it ending the fight. When the gun was inspected everything appeared to work fine. The problem turned out to be that when he pressed the gun to the badguys back the slide was displaced backwards a little ways and the gun wouldn't fire. I also had a friend whose Glock jammed several times while qualifying. I guess I wouldn't feel very confident taking a pistol on patrol that I know has jammed on me before.

 

[venomballistics]

Never take a pistol to a gunfight, if you can carry a rifle or carbine, or shotgun..

There are documented instances of Glocks going over 150, 000 rounds without a malfunction. I would look at ammo, and magazines. Mag springs will get weak, especially if not rotated.

if not some corrosion of duty ammo yeah I'd look at the mags ... but then again, its just more fun to take a poke at the tupperware

 

[Badkarma 1]

gamedic is on the right path! What happened in the fight he described was that the officer jammed the gun into the suspect so hard that it pushed the slide out of battery, therefore the weapon wouldn't fire.
In the case being discussed there is a possibility that, that may have happened, or the officer limp wristed the piece, or something might have jammed the gun between the holster and the target. This can happen with any recoil operated pistol not just Glocks!

 

[giddyupsut]

cleaning tech

When cleaning a Glock one must always face the firing pin down.
If cleaner/lubricant gets around the firing pin it can cause a build up and eventually the firing pin will not move. After a good clean and lube one should always shake the slide to ensure that the firing pin rattles.
I have several thousand rounds (9mm, 40 and 45's) through my Glocks, with very few failures. All were racked and tapped clear.
As we all know, maintenance is key with all firearms.

 

[bigshot500]

"People dont rise to the occassion but rather fall back on their skills and abilities"

bottom line...sad to say...their skill set was too low, they should have been able to clear any ftf with muscle memory and get back into the fight with in seconds....

 

[Ethang]

I carried a Glock 22 for 9+ years before we switched to the M&P. I have total faith in my Glock, it never jammed.

I don't like to second guess but multiple failures by multiple weapons in the same instance seems very odd.

 

[8-Shot]

My dept. issued the Glock 22 with streamlight TRL lights. We had countless problems with them. Mine included. We argued with Glock for quite sometime and they finally replaced them with 17's or 21's. I decided to go with a Smith 627. I like the 8 shots of 357 magnum anyways.

 

[Kanewpadle]

On another gun forum there are many complaints of the G22. The complaints are by police officers. Some of them have been complaining for years.

I'm not a Glock guy. But if I had to trust one, it would be a 9MM Glock.

 

[Nightowl]

The bad thing about guns is they only fail when you are shooting them. They seem to work just fine in the holster. I have carried a Glock for 20 years and the only failure was in a match when I did not fully seat the magazine. Tap, rack, back in business. Just like everything else man made, Glocks do break, just not very often.

 

[Xfuzz]

Love my Smith's and Colts....
Lots of rounds with a Glock 23 and 19.

Show your Smith's and Colts to your friends.

Show your Glock to the badguys.............

 

[Faulkner]

I own a Harley Davidson motorcycle and a Suzuki motorcycle. Go to the Suzuki forums and they're always dissing the Harleys . . . go to the Harley forums and they're always dissing the rice burners.

No different here.

 

[FirebirdV8]

All mechanical devices fail with enough use and time. Sometimes that time is vary poorly timed. I just hope they track down the problem and so something about it to better protect their officers.