Here we go again NO AMMUNITION

[THE PILGRIM]

Last week at the Warehouse they had a massive stock of 223-5.56.
About as much as I’ve ever seen anywhere.
And a bunch of 9mm.
Some of the other Handgun ammo like 38 Spec missing.
I see 223-5.56 and 9mm just about everywhere I go.
Yesterday I was at the Kirtland AFB BX.
No 38, 380 or 22LR.
But a fair amount of other handgun and rifle ammo.
The other day I bought 2-333 boxes of 22 at Walmart.
I have a bunch of 22, but when I see it at a good price, I buy some.
I still say, buy it when you see it!

 

[mauser9]

Let the hoarding begin!! Wait a minute don't think it ever ended the last few years.

 

[martyd]

This is from an associate who works in the industry. I believe it has been published in a couple of trade places.

Either way it makes perfect sense.

Sellier & Bellot announced that they will be shifting production to 5.56, 9mm, 7.62x39 and 7.62x51 for their military use until sometime in the future, and will not be filling commercial orders for now.

RWS and RUAG have been contracted by the German gov't to crank out ammo and munitions for emergency Ukraine relief.

With Russia throwing threats at Finland, Lapua has been ordered to focus on increasing war stocks, so export orders are temporarily suspended. Rumor has it that Finland is also considering send buttloads to Ukraine as a middle finger to Russia.

Likewise, Hungary has also tasked MFS with emergency stockpile expansion and temporarily ceasing exports.

Norma refuses to comment and remains silent, as does Fiocchi.

Aguila, CBC and Geco have claimed no plans to alter current production or deliveries.

 

[majick47]

Has anyone figured in the high price of fuel that is impacting the cost of everything that will be passed on to consumers.

 

[Eddie Southgate]

Looks like the shortage is over already , just got this yesterday . All the calibers mentioned are listed for sale. I load mine so don't depend on manufacturers for mine.

Ammo In Stock - 9mm, 5.56, 380, 7.62 and More | SGAmmo.com

 

[cmj8591]

This is from an associate who works in the industry. I believe it has been published in a couple of trade places.

Either way it makes perfect sense.

Sellier & Bellot announced that they will be shifting production to 5.56, 9mm, 7.62x39 and 7.62x51 for their military use until sometime in the future, and will not be filling commercial orders for now.

RWS and RUAG have been contracted by the German gov't to crank out ammo and munitions for emergency Ukraine relief.

With Russia throwing threats at Finland, Lapua has been ordered to focus on increasing war stocks, so export orders are temporarily suspended. Rumor has it that Finland is also considering send buttloads to Ukraine as a middle finger to Russia.

Likewise, Hungary has also tasked MFS with emergency stockpile expansion and temporarily ceasing exports.

Norma refuses to comment and remains silent, as does Fiocchi.

Aguila, CBC and Geco have claimed no plans to alter current production or deliveries.

So they wait for a war to start before they stock up?

 

[AlHunt]

So they wait for a war to start before they stock up?

Or they're anticipating a need to RE-stock.

 

[robrossk]

My best deal in a while - 9mm range ammo at 13.88 per box of 50. Picking up 900 rounds later today.

 

[LCC]

Ammo manufacturers are in the business to make money, they'll figure out a way to keep ammo on the shelves now that covid is no longer shutting down factories.
Will prices ever go back to 'normal'? Likely not, as on a globe with 8 billion humans on it, normal seems to be increasingly viewed in the rear view mirror.

 

[TEXASJake]

I suspect there will be some ammo made in the US for the US market as others have said. Now the issue is, will people start panic buying and snag it all.

Note, I am in the "arms business" sort of and am trying to work with Ukraine to get them some various armaments I have available. Would you believe they said they wanted "donations" and were not interested in "purchasing" anything! They are being invaded and wanted this stuff for free! I told them if I found someone willing to buy it for them, I would let them know.

 

[LostintheOzone]

Without a source cited, this is just more Chicken Little stuff.

Every place I’ve gone to in the last several weeks has had plenty of ammo on the shelves.

Is the sky falling again?

 

[Duckford]

Let the hoarding begin!! Wait a minute don't think it ever ended the last few years.

That's 90% of the ACTUAL problem. We are our own worst enemy. Stockpiling without end, hoarding without end, and continuing to panic buy no matter how expensive by some segments is what keeps the crisis alive.

The people buying up no matter how expensive, then chastising us for not being part of the problem like themselves, are part of the problem. Like some of the posters on these here forums.

The people who buy up 2,000 primers when they see them and already have 12,000 at home they don't use are part of the problem.

The guys with 40,000 rounds, and often hoping for high prices for under the table sales of their cache are part of the problem.

The people who stockpiled and have for a while and say "I don't care about anyone else, go to hell" are part of the problem.

Sad to see all these problem makers try to lionize themselves during a long term supply crisis.

 

[scoobysnacker]

Prices seem to be rising again at the bottom tier, which is the only stuff I normally buy.

9mm- I think it's fair to assume Mesko (Poland), S&B (Czech Republic), etc will focus on filling military orders, and those countries are stockpiling right now. Those are NATO countries on the edge of a warzone.
Lots of other cheap ammo on the scene right now is coming from Turkey, also a NATO member, I could see them prioritizing military deals over commercial soon too.

Obviously the Russian and Ukrainian sources are gone now.

Very likely the neutral parties like Serbia (PPU, Belom etc) are also filling orders, maybe for both sides of the potential conflicts to come.

There's anxiety about Taiwan, which I assume would affect PMC (South Korean) availability.

It makes a lot of sense, as long as the US market remains open; countries can flip this ammo in 'surplus white box' sales when things cool down.

 

[CouchPotato]

...as long as the US market remains open; countries can flip this ammo in 'surplus white box' sales when things cool down.

IF... if things cool down

 

[cmj8591]

Or they're anticipating a need to RE-stock.

NATO had a two year back order on ammo coming out of the pandemic. That's why you see a lot of availability of 9mm, 223, 7.62x51 and 7.26x39. The manufacturers have set up for that and that's what they are putting on the market first because that's what they have first. That doesn't mean that NATO is short of ammo. They have enough munitions in storage to fight a 5 year war even if the supply stops completely. What happens in the event that there is a peace time slow down in supply is that they curtail training. The ammo that they are buying is to replace ammo from stores that is used for training. If they can't replace it, they don't train. They don't dip into the ammo that they have put away for fighting. The ammo that they will give to Ukraine is a very small fraction of what they have on hand. They're not dipping into their battle reserves. It's the same with the other stuff they are giving them. They aren't taking Stingers and Javelins away from NATO line units to give away. It's the planned excess they are using and it exists with just about everything needed for a war. Unless there is something more to this, which I doubt, this fear of another shortage is tin hat stuff.

 

[luvsmiths]

One of your sources is an article from January 27th, 2013. Nine years ago.

I know it is.... I just wanted you all to see back. This isn't new!

Don't cherry pick info is what I was trying to say.

You missed that!

 

[luvsmiths]

That's 90% of the ACTUAL problem. We are our own worst enemy. Stockpiling without end, hoarding without end, and continuing to panic buy no matter how expensive by some segments is what keeps the crisis alive.
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Didnt you listen to what he said in vid.( obviously not- as he also keeps repeating that he hears this same **** every day) There are SO MANY NEW shooters. Look at all the guns being sold. You think all those people may want a few hundred rounds for each?

A few hundred times millions of people adds up.

It is not hoarding when you shoot. For me to lay back 20K rounds of each 9mm, 223, and 45 ACP, when I will shoot it is not hoarding. We're shooting. The ones waiting for 9 dollar a box 9mm aren't.

Can you shoot 5k rounds of each this summer if you want?
I'll shoot a 500-1000 of 223 every weekend through the summer, if I choose to.

Don't come down on those of us that can....and DO actually shoot.

And I will continue to add as *I* see fit. Not as *YOU* see fit FOR me, but thanks for your concern.
Everyone else is free to do the same, if they desire, as you have your silent protest.

 

[tops]

Maybe some people but I'll bet that some people are hoping the price comes down before they shoot up their 40,000 rounds. One never knows, does one. Larry

 

[mauser9]

Saw Nascar's R. Childress is buying 1 million rounds to send to the Ukraine on the news last week.

 

[Alton]

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