Here we go again NO AMMUNITION

Well, I don't have total confidence that we're going to be able to avoid WW3

So... There’s that I guess.

Sorry about my last post. It seems that these days the basement will save you. And no matter what else you do, don't forget: NO CONDITIONER!



"Ready.gov no longer recommends ducking and covering in case of a nuclear fallout. Instead, the government instructs people to seek an underground area like a basement for more protection. Other recommendations include seeking thick shielding, such as concrete and bricks, for protection.

For those caught outside, the U.S. government warns to not look at the flash or fireball, as it can blind you. Instead, lie flat on the ground and cover your head. Once you can, seek shelter, even if you're miles away from ground zero since the radioactive fallout can be carried hundreds of miles by the wind.

Once you can, remove your clothing to keep radioactive material from spreading. Take a shower with lots of soap and water, but do not scrub your skin. Don't use conditioner because it will bind radioactive material to your hair, according to Ready.gov".


So to sum all this up. Buy ammo. At ANY price. Cheaper than dirt has whatever you need, and it seems to be selling at their prices!
 
Just go info -- there is not going to be any new 9mm & 223 & 308 for a while.

All Foreign ammunition manufacturers have stopped all commercial production of ammunition and have switched to military supply mode. All of the European countries have placed massive orders for ammunition.

I do not know about US production but I suspect the same is true.

This also means there will be a shortage of components.

You didn't stock up when you had the chance, did you? We had several years there with lots of inventory and relative low cost.

The only problem I see here is a lack of planning for anyone who can't find ammo or components in the last two years.

You had your chance and fell asleep at the switch.

Sorry, but you need to prepare for the inevitable.
 
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Think how much more money vista and olin could have raked in during all of this scare nonsense if they had the extra lines going churning out the tubular dollars.

It all depends on a persons confidence level that the supply is not going to dry up again, at any price. Mine is very low.
This is the issue; if the shelves never went empty, you don't feel the need to buy a good personal supply. You simply keep shooting at your leisure, and when you get down to a box or so, you go back and buy more. It's available, and you don't need to spend a small (or large) fortune keeping it at YOUR house.

Vista and Olin would NOT have made a killing... there would have been an initial surge when lots of new gun buyers took ownership, and there would have been a good run on defensive ammo (and honestly, who other than the police NEED more than a box of good SD ammo? For most of us, it eventually turns into range fodder).
Given that probably greater than 90% of gun owners don't shoot more than a few times a year, the time of profit would have passed by the winter of 2020. Nobody would have the urge to stockpile, as it's available and cheap. Some new owners would become regular shooters, most would become casual owners and shoot maybe 100 rds in a year.

The way things have been, with limited supply and thus high demand, that's exactly what has made ammo so profitable. That's why they can now flood the market with prices 2-3x what they had been, and people are grateful to get it.
 
.455_Hunter;141418630 I swear said:
I'll bet my farm against a hole in a doughnut that I've had more fun in a weekend shooting than your grandfather did in his entire lifetime of hunting and living on a farm. And by the way I'm pretty sure I've run the cost of at least one farm out gun barrels. :D Larry
 
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This is the issue; if the shelves never went empty, you don't feel the need to buy a good personal supply. You simply keep shooting at your leisure, and when you get down to a box or so, you go back and buy more. It's available, and you don't need to spend a small (or large) fortune keeping it at YOUR house.

I guess it's just a matter of planning. Buy two boxes, shoot one, put one on the shelf. I started slowly building a stockage as a teen listening to the drivel coming out of the Clinton, Reno, Schumer, Moynihan, Feinsten hydra. There probably were not a lot of grunge-era kids seeing what they swing out of the Century and Navy Arms catalogs, but that's were my extra money went. Today, it's amazing what $$$ you can put towards ammo when beer, cigarettes, new ATVs and lifted-trucks are not top priorities. The 6Ps are in full effect.
 
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I'll bet my farm against a hole in a doughnut that I've had more fun in a weekend shooting than your grandfather did in his entire lifetime of hunting and living on a farm. And by the way I'm pretty sure I've run the cost of at least one farm out gun barrels. :D Larry

Probably so.

My Grandparents spent 15 years of their lives on a 1/4 section Kansas dust bowl farm in the Depression/WWII era. That experience impacted them for the rest of their days. Probably also explains some of my current tendencies to be less than impressed with people's supposed NEED for high ammo consumption.
 
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... or just reading two-years worth of hand-wringing and belly-aching across multiple shooting focused forums.

I can't complain about the price and availability of ammo but it's ok to belly ache about people complaining about the price and availability of ammo? If it's bothering you so much, click on that little X in the upper right corner of your computer screen and your problem is solved.
 
I need a 100 rounds a week just to stay proficient (by my definition) with a handgun, let alone improve. Handgun skills are perishable. Now if all you care about is hitting center mass at 7 yards then by all means, conserve your ammo.
 
I have seen this exact same post on other shooting related sites ...
all appearing around the same time and all reading like they were were taken from the same script .

I'm not going to fall for this message of doom and gloom ...
Take this with a large grain of salt and lets not fly into "Panic Mode"

I don't realy believe the sky is falling .

Gary
 
Just a comment regarding Hunting vs Shooting.

The Hunters I know do not shoot much ammo, even if they are occasional weekend warrior with their AR.

However, when I was a serous target shooter 10,000+ rounds a month was the norm.
Back then I never bought ammo except for 22LR.
Centerfire requires precision and as such I reloaded all centerfire, so components are crucial back then and would still be today.

I can no longer participate in serious target shooting, unfortunately.
 
I totally agree with those commenting on the 'Horaders'.

During 2021 I went to most of the large gun shows in Arizona and was amazed at the shear number of folks coming out of the gun show with a 2 wheel dolly, in the flat position, with 6 or more cases of 223 & 7.62 on it as well as a couple of cases of 9mm. They were paying around $1000 per case. Then 6 months later those calibers were stacked up in the isles of the sporting goods stores.

Oh, got to stop rambling;
Wife says we have to go to Sam's and get a couple of bundles of TP:) :)
 
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I have seen this exact same post on other shooting related sites ...
all appearing around the same time and all reading like they were were taken from the same script .

I'm not going to fall for this message of doom and gloom ...
Take this with a large grain of salt and lets not fly into "Panic Mode"

I don't realy believe the sky is falling .

Gary

If its astroturf, than one can assume there is a concerted effort to push up prices and keep pushing panic buying....
 
I need a 100 rounds a week just to stay proficient (by my definition) with a handgun, let alone improve. Handgun skills are perishable. Now if all you care about is hitting center mass at 7 yards then by all means, conserve your ammo.

And very quickly perishable. Have been guilty of this the past 2 years, since buying motorcicle. Course we all have our differing reasons, but staying truly proficient in any skill means steady meaningful practice.
 
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