How long until S&W has an answer to the Sig P365?

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When, if ever, do you folks think Smith & Wesson, (or Glock) will come out with an answer to the Sig P365? Would love to see a Shield re-worked to be a double stack and only 1.05" wide. I would buy that.

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I've always seen the P365 as Sig's attempt to answer the Shield. :)
An earlier thread of the same topic has been moved to the Other Brands Sub-Forum.

Keep Shield or upgrade to Sig P365?



Hum, 2 million shields sold, when the 365 gets to 100k maybe S&W should start thinking about it. Oh and after Sig fixes the out of battery condition and the other items I have seen maybe.


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Hum, 2 million shields sold, when the 365 gets to 100k maybe S&W should start thinking about it. Oh and after Sig fixes the out of battery condition and the other items I have seen maybe.


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So true. Sig's little pistol is no big deal. Other than people going ga-ga over 2 extra rounds. If you want the extra rounds in the Shield get the magazine innards from Mag-guts. Besides the 365 is an ugly pistol.
 
It's a bit more than "2 extra rounds." The 365 is about the size of a Kahr PM9, which is truly tiny, significantly smaller than a Shield. I haven't handled a 365, but I hear the trigger is similar to a Kahr, as in longer and smoother than the M&P's short "click." It's a very different gun than the Shield overall.

If S&W wants to compete with the 365 they'll have to develop a whole different platform. Time will tell - if Shield sales start to plummet then it's time for S&W to make a decision.
 
Actually, the comparison in this photo is an 8+1 Shield behind a 12+1 P365.

I own many S&W firearms and am a big fan. I also own a few (much fewer) non-Smiths because they provide something different. If Smith introduces something similar to the P365, I'm likely to buy it. Meanwhile, the Sig satisfies a need for me. So far, I haven't had any hiccups.

Since the Sig arrived, I've purchased three more Smiths. :)
 

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Sig Sauer. Sig=So It’s Good? Sauer=The taste in your mouth when you waited forever and laid out $500.00+ for a gun claiming to be reliable enough to make it to Hell and back; but your’s has issues and has to go back to the factory. The P250, Mosquito, P320 models are three examples. S&W has little to fear at this time.

I like Sigs and own several but the company needs to stop relying on the consumer to discover flaws in the new products.
 
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Just one other? I lost count, but the last time I checked, there were less than ten topic threads, but definitely more than five topic threads, for the Sig P365 in this forum. Maybe some of the more obvious candidates were mercifully merged.

Well, anyway, I had occasion to take a gander at this cute little round-packed nine, and below is my repeated content indicating the key salient feature that struck me:

<repeated content> It looks like whatever space the grip width takes up is used to hold rounds, instead of to hold useless wasted empty space. Little to no wasted space in the grip width. Nice. Very. </end repeated content>

Of course, whoever applies this new revolutionary exciting concept (no useless wasted empty space in the grip width) to a tiny double stack .40 or 10mm will have my attention.
 
Sig-Sauer has had problems with the P365, and is working through them now. I suspect they will get things right. This sort of "let the customer beta test our new gun" has happened to other manufacturers. S&W, which is my go-to company, has had some early teething problems with the Shield 380 EZ, regarding the self-moving safety.

The internet magnifies these problems, and everybody chatters about them, but that's good -- it makes the manufacturers move quickly to solve them, whether by "recall" or "voluntary return."

The P365 looks like a nice-sized package and the extra rounds are great. Reliability is King, though, in judging small self-defense guns. The P325 has to earn people's confidence, which it probably will in time. My carry gun, when that seems warranted, is a 642. Only five rounds, but more reliable than any small pocket semi. Is the P365 a threat to the Shield? Yes, in the long run, it could be - once Sig gets the problems solved and production ramped up. It would be wise for S&W to be working on a Shield 3.0, maybe using the space in the grip more efficiently and thus having an extra two rounds. But I wouldn't buy one unless I heard its reliability - based on long-term testing - is better than anything else in the small semi-auto segment.
 
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10-12 rounds sounds appealing but a gun smaller than a G43 is not, that's why I carry the Shield with the larger magazine. I will wait until Sig works out all the issues and until I can get the P365 with the larger 12 round magazine in my hand to evaluate it.
 
So true. Sig's little pistol is no big deal. Other than people going ga-ga over 2 extra rounds. If you want the extra rounds in the Shield get the magazine innards from Mag-guts. Besides the 365 is an ugly pistol.



It’s 4 extra rounds, not 2.


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When, if ever, do you folks think Smith & Wesson, (or Glock) will come out with an answer to the Sig P365? Would love to see a Shield re-worked to be a double stack and only 1.05" wide. I would buy that.

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Hopefully soon, but probably years. The size to round count is truest amazing with the 365.


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Others have said it but there is no reason for S&W to copy a pistol that was made to copy the Shield... especially at 2x the price. The CCW craze has produced enough models from all manufacturers to satisfy the demand.
 
I'm not very good with my crystal ball. But I just got an ad from Academy, the Shield M2 is $50 off, at $379.99 now.

I didn't upgrade to M2, but I do get visions of Shield M2, Shield EZ, and Sig P365 morphing into Shield M3.
 
I Think that Smith is already working somewhat that way. The 2.0 in 3.6” 9c with 15+1. If they come out with shorter grip frame similar to the 1.0 compact, they would have almost a P365 only a wider double stack and probably 12+1 without any re-design and proven track record.

Personally a grip length shorter than the shield with stock 8 roind mag is just uncomfortable for me to shoot. So I personally have no interest in any smaller. This is exactly why I’m droolomg over the 2.0 9C in 3.6”. Gives me pretty much the most capacity in the smallest package I have interest to shoot. Please do not mention the G19 or G26, I have hated every Glock I have ever held! Good gun, but they just dont work for me personally.
 
I won’t cc ANY semi auto. I’ll stick with my S&W Airweight snubby M638.
No failures to feed, no failures to eject, reasonable power & 5 ready to go.
 
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