Little Help with the Glock and M&P "problems"

[FrankHenryLee]

Whoops, meant to say 2" at 20'. Would be more like 3-4" at 30'. Not sure why such a drastic increase in grouping by adding 10', but that's how it is.

I'm noticing that I've got off of my original topic and would still like to hear from folks about how their current Glocks and M&P's are performing. It seems from what I've been able to gather that there are still extraction issues with current 9mm Glocks and accuracy issues with current 9mm M&Ps, but the reports of such are less frequent than they used to be. 40's seem to be without issue in both, but everyone in my household needs to be able to shoot these guns and the recoil of the 40 is too much for my wife to deal with. I also don't really see that it provides that much pro compared to its cons. Still wanting to hear about those 2015 Glock 17s and 19s if anybody can?

 

[Pisgah]

I think your main problem may be that you read too much.

If you want to try the Gen4 Glock, try it. Only you can decide whether you will like it or not.

 

[Rastoff]

It seems from what I've been able to gather that there are still extraction issues with current 9mm Glocks and accuracy issues with current 9mm M&Ps, but the reports of such are less frequent than they used to be.

If we saw 10 threads started here about extraction issues, most people would see that as significant. However, it would not be. 10 guns out of the hundreds of thousands sold is so insignificant as to be not worth considering at the consumer level.

Buy a Glock. Shoot it. If you don't like it, sell it for $50 less than you bought it for. Chalk it up as a rental fee. If you like it, then shoot it a lot and continue to improve your skills.

The same could be said for an M&P. Guns are easy to sell and don't lose much value if they only have a couple hundred rounds through them.

 

[FrankHenryLee]

Went and shot again today. This time I took my G19 and M&P 40FS. Tried variations of grip, but I shot better with neither gun. Sometimes better with the M&P, sometimes better with the G19. Generally, more centered and high with the M&P. The usual left and high with the G19.. I did find that my support hand is causing at least some of the inconsistency. When I ran out of all the ammo that I brought, I went in and rented a G41, because I shot it pretty good the last time I rented it. I shot that gun today better than I've ever shot before. Easily kept all shots in a 2"-3" group at 30' and they were all centered on the bullseye. My only issue now is dealing with the extra recoil. I didn't try any fast shooting as I've mainly been trying to get accurate first. Wonder why this gun seems to be so much more accurate for me? I don't have large hands, maybe medium size gloves, but the gun just seems to fit. I would probably lean more towards the G21 if I decide this is the way to go.

 

[WR Moore]

FWIW- back in 2006 I was part of the first group to transition to the M&P from TDA service guns. I also was an instructor on converting the other folks.

The M&P trigger is much like that of a very well tuned DA revolver. The better shooters took longer to adapt to the trigger than others less skilled. However, once good habit patterns were established, they did very well.

Skipping back and forth between different trigger action types doesn't help the cause. As you note, you generally suck initially, but get better as the session continues. This is you building muscle memory.

As far as reliability goes, our M&Ps have been outstanding. Back when we did our first semi-auto pistols trials, the Glock samples must have been the scape goats for the entire line. We couldn't get through a full mag of ball without at least one malfunction. Glocks reaction to our request for different magazines got them banned from bidding ever since.

 

[SickMAK90]

I think you'll find that most shooters can barely hit a target at ten yards, let alone make something that resembles a group.

Pistol shooting is much harder than rifle shooting and I find that some guns don't shoot well for me.