Marijuana Question

[arjay]

The push to prevent kids from starting and to convince us old nicotine fiends to quit has really gone over the top.We are seeing the same mentality towards people who over eat.
The Puritan ethic is going nuts again.

 

[jmmitc06]

To change this.. you must add the FDA label.

Not sure if sarcasm but I don't care much for the FDA, they really complicate the research process and are slow to accept new drugs that can be rapidly discovered and developed using modern techniques.

Hopefully there will be more human trials for the anti-neoplastic roles of cannabinoids, the majority of clinical trials are for its use in satiety, anti-emetics and sleep. It is a real shame that if what Dr. Hill suggests is occurring in vivo (unfortunately the biochemical pathway effects he is discussing have only been observed in vitro or in non-human animal models) he should get a study together and get something published in a peer-reviewed journal. I searched for some articles of his regarding this but didn't find any except for the two mentioned on his website which have not been published in a reputable journal.

EDIT:

Since people seem interested in this, here is a really thorough paper describing the system possibly manipulated by this treatment. Warning lots of chemistry talk...

http://www.hindawi.com/journals/ije/2013/259676/

 

[williamlayton]

Drunk and/or stoned at work is not good for the employee or the company. A man should have the sense that he must be able to perform his job well and safely.
Still, being drunk (I really don't know how to describe this condition) is overlooked in many jobs,
I did not smoke when working---but after work there were so many who got together and we were fine the next day.
I don't care to hear the arguements that it stays in the system longer---I never found it to be a factor in my judgement the next day---and---I would not have done it if I thought it would or did.
I am just saying that the drug itself, as with alcohol, is not the cuplrit. As usual---it is the individual.
I am just telling the real world experience I had with involvement in this past time.
Your opinion is OK with me and you can do it your way.
Blessings

 

[tireless]

What about others being exposed to second hand smoke? Will they test positive?

Does anyone think Colorado will see more auto accidents?

Is there any way to prove fault if injured by a drug user?

Short answer to second hand smoke question - No.

Long answer - I have been exposed to second hand smoke quite often for 20 years and I've never failed a urine test. For the past 4 years I've been getting hair tested once a year for good measure and get random clippings when I hit on the lottery, never had a blip for pot. I did test positive for hydrocodone 4 months after I last took any. I had a prescription so the testing agency contacted our nurse and told her they verified it and passed me.

 

[mudcat100]

Sooner or later there will be a lawsuit in a marijuana legal state after someone gets fired for testing positive. If alcohol can be consumed while not at work and the employee not have any aftereffects the next day, then why can't marijuana be consumed? I know that some sort of test will have to be developed to determine what level of thc will be considered unacceptable while working or driving.

 

[KLNFrame]

And the Hummingbirds still fly...

Wonder if we're missing something?

Apu being a Hummingbird - YouTube

 

[O2Guy]

The issue that I see is that traces of marijuana stay in a person's system a lot longer than alcohol.

 

[SgtLumpy]

I'd like to understand the logic that allows card carrying pot smokers to have open stores, coffee shops and brownie bakeries with hooka lounges here in Maine's biggest city, but if I light up a Marlboro within 50' of the dope den's front door I go to jail.

I'll give that logic a try.

First, I don't think you "go to jail" but I'll stipulate to the dramatic effect concept.

An "open store" or "brownie bakery" doesn't subject anyone to offensive smoke. It's just like an "open store" for tobacco. I don't think tobacco addicts are baking their drug into brownies but if they did, perhaps that would be similar. It's the SMOKE that's the offending property.

A "hooka lounge" is no doubt similar to a "cigar lounge" or other place where tobacco smokers are legally allowed to congregate and smoke.

A pot smoker within the same distance from the front door of an establishment is surely in violation of the same thing that a tobacco smoker is under the same situation. Plus the pot smoker is probably in violation if he's smoking ANYwhere in public, not just within 50 feet of something.


Sgt Lumpy

 

[ladder13]

I love the "medicinal" argument to legalize the drug.And there seems to be a legitimate need for that. That may be true for a small group of people, but let's at least be honest, people want to get stoned.There looked to be a whole bunch of "sick" people standing on line in Colorado the other day. I wonder if some of them were ever at their doctors office for any ailment. They all must have been allergic to prescription pills, for their ailments, since they were buying everything but. Unless...... brownies, gum drops and lollypops are used to combat your "allergy" to taking pills.

 

[Rangerpat]

I got stoned on the job a few times during my career fighting forest fires. Unknown to me it was being grown illegally on a national forest that caught on fire; I ended up with bloodshot eyes, very hungry, and an illegal smile on my face.

 

[joonbis]

The issue that I see is that traces of marijuana stay in a person's system a lot longer than alcohol.

There may be traces still in your system but you can function and think a whole lot better the next day after a high than you can a drunk.

 

[Old TexMex]

I got stoned on the job a few times during my career fighting forest fires. Unknown to me it was being grown illegally on a national forest that caught on fire; I ended up with bloodshot eyes, very hungry, and an illegal smile on my face.

Yeah, you get that

 

[pownal55]

What about others being exposed to second hand smoke? Will they test positive?

Does anyone think Colorado will see more auto accidents?

Is there any way to prove fault if injured by a drug user?

To answer your first question, I worked installing natural gas pipelines for 27 years and was drug tested regularly. The test is set up by a numbers scale. If you register a very low number the result is considered negative, allowing you to have been in the company of other smokers. A higher number is a positive reading meaning you are the smoker. Drinking large amounts of water will dilute the results but that often requires one more test which must not be diluted or the result is considered positive. For regular users pot can remain in fat cells for up to 30 days.

 

[1morethan8]

Not sure if sarcasm but I don't care much for the FDA, they really complicate the research process and are slow to accept new drugs that can be rapidly discovered and developed using modern techniques.

Hopefully there will be more human trials for the anti-neoplastic roles of cannabinoids, the majority of clinical trials are for its use in satiety, anti-emetics and sleep. It is a real shame that if what Dr. Hill suggests is occurring in vivo (unfortunately the biochemical pathway effects he is discussing have only been observed in vitro or in non-human animal models) he should get a study together and get something published in a peer-reviewed journal. I searched for some articles of his regarding this but didn't find any except for the two mentioned on his website which have not been published in a reputable journal.

EDIT:

Since people seem interested in this, here is a really thorough paper describing the system possibly manipulated by this treatment. Warning lots of chemistry talk...

The Endocannabinoid System and Sex Steroid Hormone-Dependent Cancers

Well.. maybe a little sarcasm.. but not enough to hurt.

Most in the medical field don't like to even talk about drugs and natural medicines that don't have the FDA approval. I guess they think they need to stay inside guide lines because of liability reasons also.

Most of what we see in the media is based on the "party time" and "get high" side. This leads many to think the "medical side" is only a front and only used for a reason to pass legal laws.

Cannabis oil(not hemp seed oil) has been used for thousands of years. Only in the last 10 years has it been brought back into the light as a possible aid or cure for many disease.
Most of the discoveries in the last 10 years has come from the common man and not large research labs.
Dr. Hill has been using "Rick Simpson Oil", and the use of the oil is being noticed by larger labs! GW Pharmaceuticals is a company in the UK who is using the natural oil from the plant.
Their new drug is called "Sativex" and is being used in over in 11 countries. GWPharma - Welcome

Make no mistake, Big Pharma doesn't want you to know how simple a person can make their own medicine from a plant they grew!

This man, Rick Simpson, grew and made oil for anyone who had cancer or other major conditions. It takes about a pound of buds to make 60 grams of the oil which he said is needed to be used over a 3 month period.
A pound of bud would bring over $5,000 on the street.. so what did he charge for the oil and his time growing and making the oil? Nothing.. he gave it away without cost!
Rick no longer lives in Canada. After raids on his property and
court trials he had to leave his country. All for giving his oil away for free! This is a site to look at. It tells the story from the other side!

Phoenix Tears
Phoenix Tears

 

[S&W Fan]

With Colorado being a "employment-at-will" state..
you can be let go at any time without reason.
You don't even need to pee in a cup!

We're actually a modified "right to work" state. If the employees of a business are union represented and the required number of employees vote to "close" the shop then you have to join the union to work there. For example my younger son was required to join the union when he worked at a grocery store.

There have been strikes in the past at the Kroeger and Safeway stores, the strikers didn't loose their jobs. The Denver Broncos players went on strike on 1982 along with the rest of the league, cops and firefighters are represented by "associations" yet not all them are members (many but not all).

Anyway, even if the shop is "open" non-members get the benefit of representation in the event of a disciplinary action.

Sorry for being long winded, so the short version is regardless of this, if you violate a company policy you can be dismissed without too much difficulty. Other matters get a little more tricky. If the employer says "no marijuana" and an employee is found to use, that employee can be fired. It's already happened and the court upheld the firing. Brandon Coats was fired in 2010 by Dish Network, he's disabled, uses medical marijuana, fired.

 

[the ringo kid]

Howdy,
I want to know about line 5 on the 4473 form "Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana, or any depressant, stimulant, or narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?"
Are all those people lined up outside those stores subject to visits from the ATF? It's a federal form and against federal law.
Thanks
Mike

............................One thing you may want to think about is--MAYBE they passed that stupid law with the Federal Law in mind-in order to keep some others from being able to own or buy guns? .......................................

 

[O2Guy]

............................One thing you may want to think about is--MAYBE they passed that stupid law with the Federal Law in mind-in order to keep some others from being able to own or buy guns? .......................................

Correct. Give them a little something and take away something big in return. "We'll let you legally buy pot but you won't be able to buy or own firearms."
"Wow! I can buy pot? Sign me up!"

 

[the ringo kid]

Legalize MJ nationally and regulate it like alcohol and tobacco and the criminals will get out of the MJ business. Unless I missed something, the cartels and street gangs are not dealing in black market booze and cigs outside of some trucks hijacked by Italians in the NY/NJ area.

I just bought 3oz of my favorite chewing tobacco for $2.89. Can you even get half an oz of weed for under $50? Turn over a few thousand acres of prime KY/NC tobacco fields to legitimate MJ production and the cartels won't be able to compete.

No they will not stop selling it and you did miss what he was trying to say. Not in these words but essentially the same meaning is that passing that kind of STUPID,INSANE, IDIOTIC, LAW has lots of ""hidden"" things that will be connected to it one way or another. No matter how some look at it? means they are on a slippery slop downward--only now its full throttle thanks to escapees from a lunatic asylum. Personally, I feel sorry for those in Colorado who have to put up with insane liberal garbage. They are basking in liberal glory and are running amok-at least till 2014.

What's with "Its against the law (now only Federal in this case) that they do NOT understand???/

 

[the ringo kid]

Sarcasm ignored. However, the point is that you won't make criminals into square johns by legalizing, so skip the talking point
that it will. Criminals will do something else. Weed heads may be happy, the vote in colorado will be blue, but criminals will continue to commit crime.
You may think cartel members are only capable of the weed business, but that isn't how they think, and it isn't even their main business anymore.

Hi Tex, I wouldnt even bother trying to explain more than once. Neither of our points will be seen no matter how much we try.

PS, no personal attacks meant and this time, I dont mind a thread closed because of me.

 

[the ringo kid]

And the Hummingbirds still fly...

Wonder if we're missing something?

Stoned Hummingbirds, now thats funny.