Model of 1899 Serial numbers

[DEL56]

I have a question about the Army issued 1899. The one I recently purchased has the lanyard stud still on it, but it is missing the lanyard ring itself. Is it the same as the ones on the Victory and 1917 models, or is it unique to this issue?

 

[apotter11]

Mike,

Mine SN 8495, "38 S&W Special CTG"

 

[mikepriwer]

As of Aug 19, 2017

Here is the updated list, with the latest 9 additions:

8* no caliber roll marking
23* no caliber roll marking
32* no caliber roll marking
40* no caliber roll marking
179* no caliber roll marking
213* no caliber roll marking
225* no caliber roll marking
406* no caliber roll marking
757* no caliber roll marking
1254 no caliber roll marking
1404 no caliber roll marking
1923 no caliber roll marking
1949 no caliber roll marking
3450* no caliber roll marking
3497* no caliber roll marking
3695 no caliber roll marking
3733* no caliber roll marking
3865 no caliber roll marking
5001 - 6000 Navy Contract no caliber roll marking
5007 - Navy Contract - no caliber roll marking
5256 - Navy Contract - no caliber roll marking
5501 - Navy Contract - no caliber roll marking
5646 Navy Contract no caliber roll marking
5694 Navy Contract no caliber roll marking
5946 Navy Contract no caliber roll marking
6215 no caliber roll marking
6725* no caliber roll marking
7311* no caliber roll marking
7457* no caliber roll marking

7546 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
7583* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG

=== 7676* no caliber roll marking ===

7719* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
7787* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8495* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8636* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8820* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8929* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8939* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
10471 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
10607* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
10631* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
11587* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
12089* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
12286* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
13001 - 14000 Army Contract S&W 38 MIL
13135* S&W 38 MIL (Army Contract)
13245* S&W 38 MIL (Army Contract)
13262* S&W 38 MIL (Army Contract)
13552* S&W 38 MIL (Army Contract)
13767* S&W 38 MIL (Army Contract)
14048* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
14669* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
14797* - .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
14810 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
15031* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
15051* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
15330* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
15851* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
16128* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
16916* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17085 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17278* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17452* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17571* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17813* S&W 38 MIL Dec 1902 Probably Army contract over-run barrel
18291 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG

19155* no caliber roll marking

19593* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
19759* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG Feb 1902
20114 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
20802* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
20726* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG

Thanks for your help, Mike Priwer

 

[richcory]

Thanks to murphydog for directing me to this thread.

Mike I brought home #20726 today. 5" blued stamped as 38 S. & W. SPECIAL CTG

Cory

 

[youngoutdoors1]

Mine is #3371 with NO caliber roll marking on the side of the barrel.

Sure wish I could find a cylinder stop to make it shootable again.

God Bless, Louis

 

[Wiregrassguy]

Sure wish I could find a cylinder stop to make it shootable again.

Have you checked with Jack First Gun Parts?

 

[model3sw]

1899 Navy : 5779 NO caliber Roll Stamp
1899 Army : 10394 Roll stamp: S&W 38 MIL
1902 Navy: 25989 Roll stamp: S&W 38 MIL

Mike,

I have had these for the past 25 years. All of them came from Dr. Parker (Perry, FL) who had them stashed from near WWII era or prior.

So, these, likely this is the first time these SNs have publicly "surfaced".

 

[AlanDavid]

Of the Navy Contract revolvers does anyone have any with British commercial proof marks or British military markings?
I am tying to locate any that were part of the 500 revolver shipment released by the U.S. Navy and sent to the UK in July 1940 as part of the $37 million purchase through the U.S. Steel Corp shipment.

Regards

AlanD
Sydney

 

[Muley Gil]

Of the Navy Contract revolvers does anyone have any with British commercial proof marks or British military markings?
I am tying to locate any that were part of the 500 revolver shipment released by the U.S. Navy and sent to the UK in July 1940 as part of the $37 million purchase through the U.S. Steel Corp shipment.

Regards

AlanD
Sydney

AD, You should start your own thread, as this one has nothing in common with your question.

 

[Skeetr57]

I have an 1899 from the Navy contract, SN 5208. No caliber roll mark on the barrel. The Navy no. is 206. It has British commercial proof marks for the .38-200 Briticsh cartridge and is stamped on the right side of the barrel ".38 .710 4 tons" and the chambers have been reamed to accept .38 S&W cartridges. Both the barrel and the cylinder have stamped stars enclosing a capitol I. The gun has been refinished, so some markings are faint.

 

[DWalt]

I have an 1899 from the Navy contract, SN 5208. It has British commercial proof marks for the .38-200 British cartridge and is stamped on the right side of the barrel ".38 .710 4 tons" and the chambers have been reamed to accept .38 S&W cartridges.

It's a little surprising to find an 1899 rechambered to accept the .380 cartridge, but it is well-known that the British did that to other revolvers originally chambered in .38 Special they came into by various ways during WWII, so as to allow the use of the standard British military round.

 

[mikepriwer]

As of Oct 7 2017

Here is the updated list, with the latest 5 additions:

8* no caliber roll marking
23* no caliber roll marking
32* no caliber roll marking
40* no caliber roll marking
179* no caliber roll marking
213* no caliber roll marking
225* no caliber roll marking
406* no caliber roll marking
757* no caliber roll marking
1254 no caliber roll marking
1404 no caliber roll marking
1923 no caliber roll marking
1949 no caliber roll marking
3371 no caliber roll marking
3450* no caliber roll marking
3497* no caliber roll marking
3695 no caliber roll marking
3733* no caliber roll marking
3865 no caliber roll marking
5001 - 6000 Navy Contract no caliber roll marking
5007 - Navy Contract - no caliber roll marking
5256 - Navy Contract - no caliber roll marking
5501 - Navy Contract - no caliber roll marking
5646 Navy Contract no caliber roll marking
5694 Navy Contract no caliber roll marking
5779 Navy Contract no caliber roll marking
5946 Navy Contract no caliber roll marking
6215 no caliber roll marking
6725* no caliber roll marking
7311* no caliber roll marking
7457* no caliber roll marking

7546 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
7583* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG

=== 7676* no caliber roll marking ===

7719* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
7787* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8493 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8495* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8636* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8820* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8929* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8939* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
10471 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
10607* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
10631* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
11587* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
12089* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
12286* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
13001 - 14000 Army Contract S&W 38 MIL
13135* S&W 38 MIL (Army Contract)
13245* S&W 38 MIL (Army Contract)
13262* S&W 38 MIL (Army Contract)
13552* S&W 38 MIL (Army Contract)
13767* S&W 38 MIL (Army Contract)
14048* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
14669* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
14797* - .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
14810 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
15031* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
15051* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
15330* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
15851* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
16128* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
16916* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17085 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17278* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17452* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17571* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17813* S&W 38 MIL Dec 1902 Probably Army contract over-run barrel
18291 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG

19155* no caliber roll marking

19593* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
19759* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG Feb 1902
20114 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
20684 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
20726* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
20802* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG


Thanks for your help, Mike Priwer

 

[45solo]

Model 1899

Just last week I found my first Model 1899. This is a 4" matching number gun with hard rubber stocks that are numbered to the gun. 38 special with no roll mark SN 7485 for your list.

 

[merl67]

That brings the gap closer only 61 serial numbers between the two types.

 

[cmansguns]

Mike and all;

My US Army Model 1899 is serial number 13030 (on forestrap), and has S & W 38 MIL stamp on left side bbl.

Thanks for the study, I haven't Lettered mine yet but intend on doing so soon just to see what info is out there officially on the old "1st Model Hand Ejectors".

 

[mikepriwer]

As of December 27, 2017

Here is the updated list, with the latest 2 additions:

8* no caliber roll marking
23* no caliber roll marking
32* no caliber roll marking
40* no caliber roll marking
179* no caliber roll marking
213* no caliber roll marking
225* no caliber roll marking
406* no caliber roll marking
757* no caliber roll marking
1254 no caliber roll marking
1404 no caliber roll marking
1923 no caliber roll marking
1949 no caliber roll marking
3371 no caliber roll marking
3450* no caliber roll marking
3497* no caliber roll marking
3695 no caliber roll marking
3733* no caliber roll marking
3865 no caliber roll marking
5001 - 6000 Navy Contract no caliber roll marking
5007 - Navy Contract - no caliber roll marking
5256 - Navy Contract - no caliber roll marking
5501 - Navy Contract - no caliber roll marking
5646 Navy Contract no caliber roll marking
5694 Navy Contract no caliber roll marking
5779 Navy Contract no caliber roll marking
5946 Navy Contract no caliber roll marking
6215 no caliber roll marking
6725* no caliber roll marking
7311* no caliber roll marking
7457* no caliber roll marking
7485* no caliber roll marking

7546 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
7583* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG

=== 7676* no caliber roll marking ===

7719* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
7787* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8493 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8495* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8636* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8820* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8929* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8939* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
10471 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
10607* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
10631* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
11587* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
12089* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
12286* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
13001 - 14000 Army Contract S&W 38 MIL
13030* S&W 38 MIL (Army Contract)
13135* S&W 38 MIL (Army Contract)
13245* S&W 38 MIL (Army Contract)
13262* S&W 38 MIL (Army Contract)
13552* S&W 38 MIL (Army Contract)
13767* S&W 38 MIL (Army Contract)
14048* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
14669* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
14797* - .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
14810 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
15031* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
15051* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
15330* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
15851* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
16128* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
16916* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17085 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17278* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17452* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17571* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17813* S&W 38 MIL Dec 1902 Probably Army contract over-run barrel
18291 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG

19155* no caliber roll marking

19593* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
19759* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG Feb 1902
20114 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
20684 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
20726* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
20802* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG


Thanks for your help, Mike Priwer

 

[mikepriwer]

merl67

The gap is closing, as you note. I had always expected that there would be a transition
somewhere, meaning that there would be some serial numbers that do not fit the pattern perfectly. We know that the revolvers were not made, or shipped, in serial number order.

In this case, either its 7546 & 7583, or its 7676. Its perhaps possible that the caliber roll marking was implemented as of a shipping date. If that were the case, then we would see a good alignment based on shipping date.

Regards, Mike Priwer

 

[mikepriwer]

Removing 7676 from the survey

Here is the updated list, with the removal of 7676.

8* no caliber roll marking
23* no caliber roll marking
32* no caliber roll marking
40* no caliber roll marking
179* no caliber roll marking
213* no caliber roll marking
225* no caliber roll marking
406* no caliber roll marking
757* no caliber roll marking
1254 no caliber roll marking
1404 no caliber roll marking
1923 no caliber roll marking
1949 no caliber roll marking
3371 no caliber roll marking
3450* no caliber roll marking
3497* no caliber roll marking
3695 no caliber roll marking
3733* no caliber roll marking
3865 no caliber roll marking
5001 - 6000 Navy Contract no caliber roll marking
5007 - Navy Contract - no caliber roll marking
5256 - Navy Contract - no caliber roll marking
5501 - Navy Contract - no caliber roll marking
5646 Navy Contract no caliber roll marking
5694 Navy Contract no caliber roll marking
5779 Navy Contract no caliber roll marking
5946 Navy Contract no caliber roll marking
6215 no caliber roll marking
6725* no caliber roll marking
7311* no caliber roll marking
7457* no caliber roll marking
7485* no caliber roll marking

7546 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
7583* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
7719* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
7787* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8493 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8495* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8636* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8820* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8929* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8939* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
10471 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
10607* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
10631* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
11587* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
12089* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
12286* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
13001 - 14000 Army Contract S&W 38 MIL
13030* S&W 38 MIL (Army Contract)
13135* S&W 38 MIL (Army Contract)
13245* S&W 38 MIL (Army Contract)
13262* S&W 38 MIL (Army Contract)
13552* S&W 38 MIL (Army Contract)
13767* S&W 38 MIL (Army Contract)
14048* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
14669* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
14797* - .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
14810 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
15031* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
15051* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
15330* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
15851* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
16128* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
16916* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17085 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17278* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17452* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17571* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17813* S&W 38 MIL Dec 1902 Probably Army contract over-run barrel
18291 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG

19155* no caliber roll marking

19593* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
19759* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG Feb 1902
20114 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
20684 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
20726* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
20802* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG

7676: I believe the barrel on this revolver has been replaced, and probably with one
that has no caliber marking. The gun has a date stamp of 12.21.28 on the
rear grip strap, and is also stamped <B> on the bottom of the grip frame.
Additionally the flat under the barrel is stamped <B>. Most importantly, the
serial number on the flat under the barrel is stamped with a much-later set of
number stamps, and is stamped backwards. The 1899 ( and later) barrel serial
numbers were stamped so that it is read from left to right with the barrel pointing
to the right, and with the first digit of the serial number closest to the frame.
The serial number on this barrel is stamped upside-down, so that the barrel
must be pointed to the left, in order to be readable. In this orientation, the
last digit of the serial number is closest to the frame. For these reasons, I have
removed the revolver from the survey. The owner has sent me pictures
documenting these stampings.


Thanks for your help, Mike Priwer

 

[woodsltc]

I have my grandfathers Model-1899 with 4" barrel and hard rubber stocks. Serial # 10643. Roll Marked .38 S&W Special CTG.

Don

 

[mikepriwer]

Jan 28, 2018 Latest three additions

Here is the updated list, with the latest 3 additions.

8* no caliber roll marking
23* no caliber roll marking
32* no caliber roll marking
40* no caliber roll marking
179* no caliber roll marking
213* no caliber roll marking
225* no caliber roll marking
406* no caliber roll marking
757* no caliber roll marking
776* no caliber roll marking
1254 no caliber roll marking
1404 no caliber roll marking
1923 no caliber roll marking
1949 no caliber roll marking
3371 no caliber roll marking
3450* no caliber roll marking
3497* no caliber roll marking
3695 no caliber roll marking
3733* no caliber roll marking
3865 no caliber roll marking
5001 - 6000 Navy Contract no caliber roll marking
5007 - Navy Contract - no caliber roll marking
5256 - Navy Contract - no caliber roll marking
5501 - Navy Contract - no caliber roll marking
5646 Navy Contract no caliber roll marking
5694 Navy Contract no caliber roll marking
5779 Navy Contract no caliber roll marking
5946 Navy Contract no caliber roll marking
6215 no caliber roll marking
6725* no caliber roll marking
7311* no caliber roll marking
7457* no caliber roll marking
7485* no caliber roll marking

7546 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
7583* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
7719* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
7787* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8493 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8495* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8636* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8820* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8929* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
8939* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
9986* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
10471 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
10607* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
10631* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
10643* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
11587* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
11972* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
12089* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
12286* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
13001 - 14000 Army Contract S&W 38 MIL
13030* S&W 38 MIL (Army Contract)
13135* S&W 38 MIL (Army Contract)
13245* S&W 38 MIL (Army Contract)
13262* S&W 38 MIL (Army Contract)
13552* S&W 38 MIL (Army Contract)
13767* S&W 38 MIL (Army Contract)
14048* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
14669* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
14797* - .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
14810 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
15031* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
15051* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
15330* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
15851* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
16128* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
16916* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17085 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17278* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17452* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17571* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17577* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17668* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
17813* S&W 38 MIL Dec 1902 Probably Army contract over-run barrel
18291 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG

19155* no caliber roll marking

19593* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
19759* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG Feb 1902
20114 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
20684 .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
20726* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
20802* .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG

7676: I believe the barrel on this revolver has been replaced, and probably with one
that has no caliber marking. The gun has a date stamp of 12.21.28 on the
rear grip strap, and is also stamped <B> on the bottom of the grip frame.
Additionally the flat under the barrel is stamped <B>. Most importantly, the
serial number on the flat under the barrel is stamped with a much-later set of
number stamps, and is stamped backwards. The 1899 ( and later) barrel serial
numbers were stamped so that it is read from left to right with the barrel pointing
to the right, and with the first digit of the serial number closest to the frame.
The serial number on this barrel is stamped upside-down, so that the barrel
must be pointed to the left, in order to be readable. In this orientation, the
last digit of the serial number is closest to the frame. For these reasons, I have
removed the revolver from the survey. The owner has sent me pictures
documenting these stampings.


Thanks for your help, Mike Priwer