We had GSA armed guards at our facility in Washington DC. If you went to the men's room in the basement, close to the GSA guard's changing room, you'd be surprised at the number of bullet holes in the barriers surrounding the johns. I guess they needed something to "play with" while sitting there!
Secret Service Negligent Discharge
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Guilty as charged!
I would rather own pistols that don't make it too easy to shoot myself.
I thought this an excellent auto pistol design. Chamber the round, hit the decocker. First shot a long and heavy double action trigger pull.
this was a significant advancement after WW1, the P38
The user could chamber a round, flip the decocker safety and the hammer would come down. Then, flipping the safety again locked the trigger in place. To shoot the first shot double action, the safety had to be flipped again. There is no doubt the Germans were more concerned about Soldier's shooting themselves, or others accidentally, than about quick draw games.
And I would rather own pistols that are safe outside of their holster. Since the advent of these striker fired, pre cocked pistols, negligent discharges outside the holster have risen. These pistols have to be in a holster to be "safe". Taking one out of the holster, and stuffing it back in, it is easy to snag the trigger, and there are plenty of owners who have shot themselves with the things. And, there are plenty of posts out there when a striker fired pistol shot off a round when the holster failed in some way.
The first Glock I held, it seemed a technology marvel, until I touched that trigger. I decided it was too easy to shoot one self with the thing, and I have never been tempted to own one.
If you shoot yourself with your striker fired pistol, how about telling us all about it.
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Guilty as charged!
I would rather own pistols that don't make it too easy to shoot myself.
I thought this an excellent auto pistol design. Chamber the round, hit the decocker. First shot a long and heavy double action trigger pull.
this was a significant advancement after WW1, the P38
The user could chamber a round, flip the decocker safety and the hammer would come down. Then, flipping the safety again locked the trigger in place. To shoot the first shot double action, the safety had to be flipped again. There is no doubt the Germans were more concerned about Soldier's shooting themselves, or others accidentally, than about quick draw games.
And I would rather own pistols that are safe outside of their holster. Since the advent of these striker fired, pre cocked pistols, negligent discharges outside the holster have risen. These pistols have to be in a holster to be "safe". Taking one out of the holster, and stuffing it back in, it is easy to snag the trigger, and there are plenty of owners who have shot themselves with the things. And, there are plenty of posts out there when a striker fired pistol shot off a round when the holster failed in some way.
The first Glock I held, it seemed a technology marvel, until I touched that trigger. I decided it was too easy to shoot one self with the thing, and I have never been tempted to own one.
If you shoot yourself with your striker fired pistol, how about telling us all about it.
I'll bet less than two percent of striker gun users shoot themselves.
I shoot 5 to 7k rounds a year out of a striker gun with no manual safety. I bought my first one in 2001, so I must be seriously unlucky to have not shot myself a dozen times so far. SMH
A very few examples of the gun causing the ND are out there, the rest are user error, it really is that simple.
As to shooting myself, don't hold your breathe because I actually take the extremely long 1.5 seconds to look at the holster like everyone else that thinks will do.
So, about two out of every hundred shoot themselves, and you consider that success.
Pride comes before a fall.
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If the 2% or less figure is correct, that's a lot of people shooting themselves, given the popularity of striker fired guns...
I think you are correct that there are vanishingly few NDs that are not user error. But, people — even well trained and disciplined people — make mistakes. As a user, I want to minimize my opportunities for NDs. One way I choose to do this is to have thumb safeties on my semiautos.
I'm not saying everyone should have a manual safety on striker fired guns. I'm just saying that I decided that I should, and I am happy with my decision.
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Super Trucker
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Look,
There are how many millions of no safety guns out there? How many people have ND's, a couple thousand?
THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT CAN'T THINK!!!!!!!!!!
If you think, you don't shoot yourself, it really is that SIMPLE.
I can't get a PC Shield plus without a safety, or a PC 10mm comp. S&W's lawyers make that decision due to the handful that can't think.
On what planet is that Ok?
Of the 10 guns I own 5 have a manual safety.
I remain unperforated.
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Maybe I'm missing something here. What's wrong with a safety?
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Maybe I'm missing something here. What's wrong with a safety? Just a simple question; not looking to argue.
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If someone doesn't need one they should not be forced to have one.
A shield plus safety rubs my knuckle raw, I am in the top 3 at match's and classes so why should I be forced to change what is working to accommodate those that refuse to think?
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Imeant to put .2 percent, but by the time I saw my mistake I figured one of them would find actual numbers if probably. 212%, so I didn't edit it.
There us no problem, millions of guns and maybe a few thousand ND's.
I'm not a fan of nannying.
If a handful of people can't be bothered to think and hurt themselves, why punish the millions that do think?
Absolutely NOTHING - until you are in a life-or-death situation, with your adrenaline level at 11/10 - and you don't neutralize the threat - because in your agitated state of mind, you didn't think to disable the safety on your CCW...
JMO, but having "one less thing" to deal with in this kind of high stress situation isn't a bad thing.
But what do I know? I'm just an ordinary Joe - I don't claim to be a highly trained professional gunfighter.
I guarantee you that the 2% figure isn't correct. If it were, the anti-gun folks would be screaming it from the rooftops.
I'd be willing to bet my next pension check that it is 0.2% (two TENTHS of one percent) or less.
In a past life I was into Sporting Clays and shooting 500-600 shells a week. I was using a gun with an auto safety and I never forgot to push the safety off until one day when I was in a shoot off that was really important and I really really wanted to win. I missed the safety and it cost me a target. I still won the shoot off but if it had been a gunfight I would be dead. Larry
US Secret Service personnel use Glock 19 pistols, with Speer Gold Dot ammunition.
whoo hoo Glock leg... again...
and for the record most revolvers don't have safeties... I do prefer a safety on any semiautomatics that I do choose to carry...
and for the record most revolvers don't have safeties... I do prefer a safety on any semiautomatics that I do choose to carry...
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