Striker Fire rather than Hammer Fire?

[mbliss57]

Lots of truth and preferences. I prefer hammer fired. My gun, my preference. Do I think they are far superior. A little in that the hammer is a part of the gun ( a tool) that can be manipulated by the user in certain situations. With the striker fired you have only one option..pull the trigger.
I don't believe striker fired are less reliable. I just prefer to have more control over my firearm.

 

[Towns]

You might want to try a really bad example of a Massachusetts trigger sometime. You might be surprised at just how nasty the trigger can be on a modern plastic gun.

Amen. I kind of like heavier triggers if they're good triggers, so thought about getting a Walther PPS with Mass trigger. Found out I did NOT want that one after all.

My son put a NY1 trigger in a Glock 19 and it was actually a very good 9 # trigger pull, with a good break.

My 6906 has a 10 to 11 lb trigger in DA, and it is VERY smooth.

 

[Ed Fowler]

I fear the day of the disposable hand gun is not far away, may even be here now.

 

[TTSH]

Amen. I kind of like heavier triggers if they're good triggers, so thought about getting a Walther PPS with Mass trigger. Found out I did NOT want that one after all.

My son put a NY1 trigger in a Glock 19 and it was actually a very good 9 # trigger pull, with a good break.

My 6906 has a 10 to 11 lb trigger in DA, and it is VERY smooth.

The MA-compliant trigger on the old Walther PPS was widely regarded as one of the absolute worst triggers ever. For years, I wanted a PPS so badly... but it was essentially a useless hunk of plastic with that incredibly awful MA trigger.

Fortunately for me, right before the introduction of the PPS M2 when Walther was blowing out the old model at bargain basement prices, I was able to get my hands on a free state version of the PPS. Can't say where or how... but what a difference!!! It's still not what I would call an outstanding trigger, but it is certainly miles ahead of the MA-compliant version.

Other than the insanely terrible MA-compliant PPS, the worst triggers I've ever found were on various MA-complaint M&P45 and Shield .40 pistols... some of them virtually unusable. But like I've said before, there is a lot of variation in S&W MA-compliant triggers. Eventually, I found an M&P45 FS that I could live with... and I bought it. Not so much for the Shield .40, but it's not a pistol I'm all that interested in anyway. Both of my Shield 9's were hand-picked and are more-or-less okay.

 

[spad124]

And Sig just reintroduced the P225. Someone sees a market for nice DA/SA pistols.

I suspect they reintroduced the 225 to capitalize on the hot market for concealable single stack 9mms. They still had the tooling. It was easy to spool up production.

 

[trailmix]

I suspect they reintroduced the 225 to capitalize on the hot market for concealable single stack 9mms. They still had the tooling. It was easy to spool up production.

I may be mistaken but I don't think it is the same gun as the original P225.

 

[Arik]

I may be mistaken but I don't think it is the same gun as the original P225.

It's not, even mags are different. Besides that the Originals were made in Germany. These are made in the US. Sig USA and SIG are in a way two different companies

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[petepeterson]

Of course! How could I forget his Bren Ten!

We'll forgive you for not wearing your Sonny Crockett outfit on a routine basis. It gets cold where you live...

 

[trailmix]

It's not, even mags are different. Besides that the Originals were made in Germany. These are made in the US. Sig USA and SIG are in a way two different companies

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Yeah, when the new 225 came out I tried to buy a couple extra mags but my guy at the gun store (who also owns a P6) informed me that they wouldn't work.

 

[DanHend]

I suspect they reintroduced the 225 to capitalize on the hot market for concealable single stack 9mms. They still had the tooling. It was easy to spool up production.

Part of this has already been mentioned, but Sig has had the P239 in production for about a decade and is a better gun for CCW work. As far as shootability goes, the P225A1 is much, much better and comfortable.

 

[TTSH]

We'll forgive you for not wearing your Sonny Crockett outfit on a routine basis. It gets cold where you live...

Hey, you may laugh Pete... but back in the day, Sonny and I were practically indistinguishable from one another. Twins almost!!!

Here is an old photo of me...

... or maybe that one is Sonny? It's even hard for me to tell at this point.

 

[OK Hog Shooter]

All I gotta say is that I'm an old fashioned older guy... only one striker fired pistol in my safe... please give me a 2nd/3rd gen Smith or any older non-IL Smith wheel gun! I like a hammer, preferably DA/SA... trigger pull doesn't matter to me; it's just a question of getting used to whatever I have with me at the time... so I guess I will have to practice with them all... darn it! [emoji1303][emoji41][emoji1303]


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[CAJUNLAWYER]

I prefer a hammer gun over striker. I never liked the idea that when everything was "at rest" the hammer pin spring was still slightly compressed no matter how many internal safeties. I also like the idea of repeat strike capability which striker fired guns do not have-save for the two exceptions listed earlier.
Finally S&W does indeed currently manufacture a hammer fired plastic gun-the M&P380. It was for this reason I bought it over the Ruger.

 

[ladder13]

.........
Finally S&W does indeed currently manufacture a hammer fired plastic gun-the M&P380. It was for this reason I bought it over the Ruger.

Well I'll be.......

 

[LedFowl]

I think the Luger is striker fired. The idea has been around for a while.

 

[5Wire]

I prefer a hammer gun over striker. I never liked the idea that when everything was "at rest" the hammer pin spring was still slightly compressed no matter how many internal safeties. I also like the idea of repeat strike capability which striker fired guns do not have-save for the two exceptions listed earlier.
Finally S&W does indeed currently manufacture a hammer fired plastic gun-the M&P380. It was for this reason I bought it over the Ruger.

I hear ya.

My thinking, exactly. That has lead to my respect and admiration for the pistols I mentioned above, HK P7s and SW/Walther P99s. Both allow relaxed striker spring conditions with easy, tangible and visual confirmation.

The P7 requires only to slightly relax one's grip on the cocking lever (front strap). No pressure, gun will not fire.

P99s decock. No pressure. The trigger reverts to a relatively long double action pull. Gun will fire. In fact the manual for my first P99 (an early one) tersely printed in red for emphasis, to the effect, "If you want to fire the P99, pull the trigger. Made sense to me.

It seems to me overall the advantage of striker fired pistols is the combination of reduced mass and reduced volume of space in which to house a mechanism to detonate primers.

 

[Jaymo]

I never understood the idea that mediocre accuracy and horrid triggers are acceptable for SD guns.
If I'm forced to shoot another person in SD, I want to make damned sure that my rounds go exactly where they should. Missing the BG and hitting someone or something else is unacceptable.
I want the best possible trigger and the best possible accuracy, without sacrificing reliability and durability.
Horrible triggers are not conducive to good accuracy.

I'd like to see someone tell the competition crowd that good triggers are a crutch, and that they should just learn how to shot what they have.
It just doesn't work that way in the real world.
Crappy trigger pulls throw your shots off.

I have both metal/hammer-fired and Tupperware-striker fired.
I carry both. I like both. I like metal/hamer-fired much better.

 

[rwsmith]

Please help my ignorance.......

There were no striker fired 3rd gen pistols. Perhaps you are thinking of the DAO models where the hammer is partially obscured by the slide.

Anyways, the striker fired guns are plastic and cheaper to make. Unlike Sig and Beretta, the current company calling itself s&w has chosen not to offer a hammer fired semi auto pistol, other than their 1911 line.

As far as I can tell, the appeal of the striker fired guns - to some - is their light weight, cheap price and "same trigger pull for every shot". Even though the pull is spongy or gritty. Regards 18DAI

The 'hammer' doesn't look like a 'hammer' in my 5943. It looks like it's plastic and that it might hit a striker type thing. Is that right????

OK, what's the difference in reliability, repeatability and all of those other 'billities' between hammers and strikers? Which one works better and why???

 

[Jaymo]

The 'hammer' doesn't look like a 'hammer' in my 5943. It looks like it's plastic and that it might hit a striker type thing. Is that right????

OK, what's the difference in reliability, repeatability and all of those other 'billities' between hammers and strikers? Which one works better and why???

If it's black, it's made by a process called Metal Injection Molding.
It's steel.

 

[99savage308]

Striker or hammer fire. For real? Is this talk for real? Well for a save my back side and someone else's. Who in this world gives a shiatsu. These striker guns are made to the job and not cost a car payment. As of early this year, Smith and Wesson has shipped a million Shields since they started making 'em. So what is the beef? Smith has proved once again they kick butt when it comes to making and selling guns. Some gun companies have looked and learned how to make a handgun the way it should be and the way it should be made. Striker fire works hands down. Nuff said .