Yup, maybe if ever. HIV is a virus...still no vaccine. I hope these governors decide not to wait for that one.
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Yup, maybe if ever. HIV is a virus...still no vaccine. I hope these governors decide not to wait for that one.
Jon651
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Except that AIDS/HIV is no longer fatal, and the meds we have these days can get your virus levels down below measurable levels. It may have been an excruciating process, but we learned about the virus, how it affects the body, how it is actually transmitted, how to live with people who have it, and we learned all of that long before these new meds were developed. I'd consider that one a win. By the way, the same goes for Hepatitis-C, which was also once considered fatal.
I predict the same will happen with COVID-19. We will learn to deal with it and live with it long before we figure out how to cure it.
Well I certainly fit the above described description words!Pension SS but not the concept!
As a retried Very Blue Class worker I do not like what is happening my "poldar" (political radar) is starting to go into overdrive.
Rules are changing daily sometimes hourly and not for the better. This pensioner misses going out to restaurants, stores and having to dress like were looking for a role in a new TV doctor, hospital type show.
Due to my knee problems and subsequent surgery last year I only use one tank of fuel in my Vette.. Is it going to be legal to drive it top down this warm weather period? (serious question) Are they going to outlaw motorcycles same reason but those people do wear helmets with many using full face shields.
Marinas closed but I can launch from my private beach if necessary. (as of now) At least I have my own private 100 yard range on the back of my property. I sort of can see into the future and as I'm no Nostradamus I will/am getting some things figured out.
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We are not locked down in the US either then. I have to agree with you on the other part. But, minne is over 140.
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Minne is about room temp...
I realy do not know what mine is, but as Rolls Royce used to say years back when asked how much Horse Power their expensive cars had, said it was adequate! To be quite honest I think my common sense outdoes my IQ.
Common sense trumps IQ.Simpleton Forrest Gump made fools of the elites.
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Here come the municipal budget cuts. Garbage pick ups, fire and police protection, courts, jails, social services, etc.
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HIV and Corona don't really compare. One takes actual exchange of bodily fluid takes a just a bit of airborne fluid. I can spend a entire day in close proximity to people with HIV and never get it. Not so with Corona,
Hardly a comparison at least to someone with common sense.
Common sense also tells me that when a easily communicable disease is killing thousands a day during restrictions it might not be the best idea to lift the restrictions and really spread it around a bunch more. Especially when the areas that are seriously impacted are having problems coping with it medically.
Common sense tells me that when I look ar Sweden with no restrictions having a death rate 40 times its nearest neighbors who have restrictions that restrictions work to keep the death rate down.
Common sense told me that when MGM closed down its part of Vegas on its own with no government order it was serious. They didn't get there being dumb.
Common sense told me that what was goin on in Italy was not good and it would happen her, even when people were saying "it has only killed 5 people in a rest home" it couldn't, wouldn't happen here and was "only the flu".
Look back at the past post to see who thought it was nothing to worry about and who said it was not good and then tell me about common sense.
Hardly a comparison at least to someone with common sense.
Common sense also tells me that when a easily communicable disease is killing thousands a day during restrictions it might not be the best idea to lift the restrictions and really spread it around a bunch more. Especially when the areas that are seriously impacted are having problems coping with it medically.
Common sense tells me that when I look ar Sweden with no restrictions having a death rate 40 times its nearest neighbors who have restrictions that restrictions work to keep the death rate down.
Common sense told me that when MGM closed down its part of Vegas on its own with no government order it was serious. They didn't get there being dumb.
Common sense told me that what was goin on in Italy was not good and it would happen her, even when people were saying "it has only killed 5 people in a rest home" it couldn't, wouldn't happen here and was "only the flu".
Look back at the past post to see who thought it was nothing to worry about and who said it was not good and then tell me about common sense.
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Just curious...are your hospitals furloughing employees? Ours are, elective procedures are verboten, so the hospitals are cutting staff to stave off financial collapse...at least temporarily. This, after years of desperately working to attract the staff they are now cutting. Doctors and nurses will not hang out in VT waiting for their government relief check, they will leave...never to return.
Even with my limited IQ that will never approach yours, I know this. My comment was a direct reply to something said in a post. Try to stay focused...if at all possible.
When I grow up, I hope to have your level of common sense.
Stay focused if at all possible yourself. Did I quote you?
I did make a comparison the HIV and the Corona virus. I also posed a simple question. Why restrict movements for one when simply being near a person with it has no risk? Is there some reason I can also not comment? Is there some rule that says I can only address one thing per post?
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Just yesterday the powers that be closed a couple North Country medical out buildings. They have eliminated none emergency items so they RIFed the people there and locked the doors. Things like Lasiks, colonoscopy, carpals ETC
I have a long scheduled eye doctor appointment for next Tuesday. Doc offices is in his own building! Waiting for the phone call that either cancels it or a reminder to bring a driver as drops will be used. (could go either way I guess!)
Edit-- Docs office just called, canceled. Said when this is over they will reschedule!
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olcop
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I agree, as a former LEO and a natural cynic, I'm wondering if they are "making much ado" about this to cover up something worse that's going on.
I agree, as a former LEO and a natural cynic, I'm wondering if they are "making much ado" about this to cover up something worse that's going on.
"I understand the reason for and Support a Free and Open press, but I think sometimes the Press forgets that it has the responsibility to report the facts correctly and to stop Cherry Picking information that fits their political agendas."
I will agree with this. The news should be what it is. Then they want to have an opinion page they can as long as they make it clear that it is an opinion and not a fact.
I am interested in anti body studies, treatment and vaccine studies. But, on these we need actual science facts not a bunch of we think it might be this ways.
I do believe this will get figured out, we will become better and stronger and be better prepared for the future. If we can't get m through this intact with civilization intact we are doomed anyway.
I will agree with this. The news should be what it is. Then they want to have an opinion page they can as long as they make it clear that it is an opinion and not a fact.
I am interested in anti body studies, treatment and vaccine studies. But, on these we need actual science facts not a bunch of we think it might be this ways.
I do believe this will get figured out, we will become better and stronger and be better prepared for the future. If we can't get m through this intact with civilization intact we are doomed anyway.
OK, I'll stand corrected.
With viruses that attack your IMMUNE system (HIV) antibodies don't equal immunity. That makes sense. Of course that isn't really relative to this virus because it is not an ailment of the immune system - it is a respiratory virus.
As to dengue fever, there is a point that was left out of the discussion by the expert in your linked article. From an article specifically about dengue fever, here's what either wasn't mentioned by the expert - or more likely selectively left out by the author of the article (either out of ignorance or more likely in order to put the worst spin possible on the expert's comments).
So basically you can't get the same variety of dengue fever more than once and for at least some period of time recovery from one gives you immunity to all five types - immunity that wanes over time. The one thing I couldn't find was how long the blanket immunity generally lasts. So dengue fever is kind of in the same "bucket" as chickenpox/shingles.
The fact is we cannot wait until we know everything there is to know about this thing before we go back to normal life. HIV is over 40 years old and although we've learned how to deal with it well enough that a diagnosis is no longer a death sentence, it took more than 20 years to get there. And we STILL don't know everything there is to know about it because we still have no cure or even vaccine.
We can't wait 20 years or until we know everything there is to know about this virus either. There is going to be some risk, and possibly some missteps that result in some deaths as we plot our way out of this. While it is unfortunate, that's life. Life isn't risk free and no one gets out if it alive in the end.
So at the end of the day the status quo cannot go on indefinitely and we have to start working towards normalcy sooner or later. Sooner will reduce the overall damage to our economy, our country and our populace as a whole.
Tens of thousands die in car accidents annually, and yet we all drive because the benefits outweigh the risks. This is no different.
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just like that, $349 Billion, out of money....Forrest Gump would say.
Small business rescue loan program hits $349 billion limit and is now out of money
Small business rescue loan program hits $349 billion limit and is now out of money
LVSteve
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They let go 112 part-time folks at Las Vegas Metro just last week. There's no doubt the city and county here are so dependent on continual tourist taxes the shutdown is starting to bite. But Metro firing folk strikes me as odd as previous news stated Metro had some huge cash float tucked away somewhere.
The big question is how soon and how much. To soon or to much could really suck. It wouldn't take many carriers moving around to get the numbers going back up fast.
Blowing the call could easily cost tens of thousands of deaths or more. How any lives are you willing to gamble away. Remember that over 20% of the fatalities and 50% of those that go into an ICU are under 60. Plus, many of those that require ICU attention suffer from kidney damage and will need continued medical care and likely a shortened life span.
We know there are 600,000 infected right now. Probably at the very least 100,000 unknown infected and probably way more. Those unknowns are a big problem. What we have now in this country was started with far less.
We could test everyone. But, those tested would have to remain away from anyone else not known to be clear. As soon as they contact an unknown the validity of them being known to be uninfected is shot. How do you plan to do and control that? The antibody deal is good if the reliability of an antibody test specific for Corona 19 is validated and those with antibodies are proven to be immune to reinfection. Which is nowhere near the case yet. Like I said jumping the gun could cost lots of lives. Maybe yours or one of yours. Let me ask you this. Would you bet your kid's life on it. Not yours, but your kid's life? Sure it mostly kills the old with issues, but it get some young healthy people too? Would you risk your kids being exposed to it with no positive proof. I would not. Already lost one son and don't ever want to go through it again for any reason or amount of money.
Blowing the call could easily cost tens of thousands of deaths or more. How any lives are you willing to gamble away. Remember that over 20% of the fatalities and 50% of those that go into an ICU are under 60. Plus, many of those that require ICU attention suffer from kidney damage and will need continued medical care and likely a shortened life span.
We know there are 600,000 infected right now. Probably at the very least 100,000 unknown infected and probably way more. Those unknowns are a big problem. What we have now in this country was started with far less.
We could test everyone. But, those tested would have to remain away from anyone else not known to be clear. As soon as they contact an unknown the validity of them being known to be uninfected is shot. How do you plan to do and control that? The antibody deal is good if the reliability of an antibody test specific for Corona 19 is validated and those with antibodies are proven to be immune to reinfection. Which is nowhere near the case yet. Like I said jumping the gun could cost lots of lives. Maybe yours or one of yours. Let me ask you this. Would you bet your kid's life on it. Not yours, but your kid's life? Sure it mostly kills the old with issues, but it get some young healthy people too? Would you risk your kids being exposed to it with no positive proof. I would not. Already lost one son and don't ever want to go through it again for any reason or amount of money.
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UncleEd
Member
BC38,
I notice you use the word "we" a lot in calling for
action.
Perhaps you should go forth first and prove your
reports before the designated agencies OK such
action.
If all goes well, you shall be hailed as a hero. If
not, "we" won't care.
I notice you use the word "we" a lot in calling for
action.
Perhaps you should go forth first and prove your
reports before the designated agencies OK such
action.
If all goes well, you shall be hailed as a hero. If
not, "we" won't care.
I'll go when Birx and Fauci say so, surely not taking any advice on the net.
Repeating stats ad nauseum trying to prove this and that will not sway me.
Repeating stats ad nauseum trying to prove this and that will not sway me.
Just read something that Trump is planing on "opening up" social distancing in some parts of the Country somewhere. What that means I sure as heck do not know.
AND on the Pork News front
Governor Opposed Stay-at-Home Order. Now, a Virus Hot Spot
Largest Coronavirus Hot Spot in US Is Smithfield Foods Meat Plant in Sioux Falls, South Dakota
(Newser) – The shuttered Smithfield Foods pork plant in Sioux Falls, SD, is now the largest single source of coronavirus cases in the country.
AND on the Pork News front
Governor Opposed Stay-at-Home Order. Now, a Virus Hot Spot
Largest Coronavirus Hot Spot in US Is Smithfield Foods Meat Plant in Sioux Falls, South Dakota
(Newser) – The shuttered Smithfield Foods pork plant in Sioux Falls, SD, is now the largest single source of coronavirus cases in the country.
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