ChattanoogaPhil
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Today in Texas - open carry on the horizon
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keith44spl
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Found it.........Thanks.
SECTION
A18.AASection 411.173(b), Government Code, is amended
to read as follows:
(b)
The governor shall negotiate an agreement with any other state that provides for the issuance of a license to carry a handgun under which a license issued by the other state is recognized in this state or shall issue a proclamation that a license issued by the other state is recognized in this state if the
attorney general of the State of Texas determines that a background check of each applicant for a license issued by that state is initiated by state or local authorities or an agent of the state or
local authorities before the license is issued.
Yeah, it got real quiet after that question.
They're in another couple threads spewing their statist/collectivist views.
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ChattanoogaPhil
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They're in another couple threads spewing their statist/collectivist views.
The OC demonstrators and all freedom loving gun owners won.
Bloomberg and gun-owning naysayer accomplices lost.
Victory is the final word that matters.
The OC demonstrators and all freedom loving gun owners won.
Bloomberg and gun-owning naysayer accomplices lost.
Victory is the final word that matters.
The naysayers all have the same MO.
"I'm a strong 2A supporter, BUT...." or "I'm a real conservative, BUT...." or "I'm a Life NRA member BUT..."
HorizontalMike
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2nd Amendment is for ALL of us!
GET OVER IT ALREADY! I am a gun lovin' Liberal, so DO NOT try to hijack the idea that 2nd Amendment Rights are ONLY by/for the Far Right Wing...
NO! Many of us "Radical Liberals" love our guns TOO! The sooner you realize this, the sooner we get some REAL common sense legislation. It is NOT an either OR situation.
GET OVER IT ALREADY! I am a gun lovin' Liberal, so DO NOT try to hijack the idea that 2nd Amendment Rights are ONLY by/for the Far Right Wing...
NO! Many of us "Radical Liberals" love our guns TOO! The sooner you realize this, the sooner we get some REAL common sense legislation. It is NOT an either OR situation.
elm_creek_smith
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The problem is "...the sooner we get some REAL common sense legislation." What does that even mean?
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To love guns means little. It's love of freedom and respect for the 2A that counts, right?
At my Club there are plenty of guys that would be considered gun nuts by any measure, but they also echo a lot of Bloomberg and his gaggle of nags common sense gun control garbage.
There were gun owners that stood with Bloomberg in Washington. That they love their own guns doesn't make them any less enemies of the 2A.
To All: As far as "conservatives" and "liberals", remember political discussion is still banned on the Forum.
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Obviously, I wasn't around 200 years ago but I believe it was a much different world than we live in today. The per-capita crime rates were much lower, and when people were judged and sent to prison they usually stayed there for the full length of their sentence. Letting anyone who wanted to wear a gun still resulted in a relatively low incidence of unwarranted violence.
Today, that's no longer true. Even though I have a Texas CHL and have carried a gun every day for almost two decades--without ever firing it in anger or in fear--I'm not comfortable with the thought of convicted felons being able to legally carry a gun. I don't want people with a history of mental illness legally carrying a gun. I don't want someone who is under a restraining order because he has attempted or threatened violence against someone legally carrying a gun.
I think situations like that are no different from something I witnessed decades ago. A good friend was separated from her abusive husband. He caught her on the street one day and threatened to kill her if she tried to divorce him. When she reported the incident to the police, they basically told her that until he killed her, they could do nothing to protect her.
Rights carry with them attendant responsibilities. If we're not willing to exercise our rights responsibly, we shouldn't have them.
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Who says "we" aren't exercizing our 2A rights responsibly?
Shall Issue really took off across the country in the mid 90s with many millions more people carrying guns.
Look at the violent crime rates across the board from the mid 90s through today. Significantly less violent crime coincides with a huge leap in gun carry.
There seems to be a recurring theme that we must surrender more of our 2A rights in order to justify keeping a portion of them. That gun carry has become so detrimental to society that we must use "common sense" to stop the carnage or else lose all our 2A rights. It's wrongheaded.
United States Crime Rates 1960 - 2013
Shall Issue really took off across the country in the mid 90s with many millions more people carrying guns.
Look at the violent crime rates across the board from the mid 90s through today. Significantly less violent crime coincides with a huge leap in gun carry.
There seems to be a recurring theme that we must surrender more of our 2A rights in order to justify keeping a portion of them. That gun carry has become so detrimental to society that we must use "common sense" to stop the carnage or else lose all our 2A rights. It's wrongheaded.
United States Crime Rates 1960 - 2013
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keith44spl
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And here I thought having a karma for Open Carry passing in Texas was gonna be a snap...
Like now I'll gotta weed out the naysayers, 2nd Amendment wafflers,
those that wouldn't OC on a bet and the chiggers in-general.
So, it narrow the entries down to better the odds for the true believers.
I guess it'll have to be a forum wide kinda thing, for all those here that supported open carry for Texans....
Whatcha ya think thar Phil ?
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Like now I'll gotta weed out the naysayers, 2nd Amendment wafflers,
those that wouldn't OC on a bet and the chiggers in-general.
So, it narrow the entries down to better the odds for the true believers.
I guess it'll have to be a forum wide kinda thing, for all those here that supported open carry for Texans....
Whatcha ya think thar Phil ?
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The field narrows
I support open carry, but can't say I'd do it in normal circumstances. I do open carry while working on a small plot of land I own, as I have wild hogs around.
It will make it easier when I visit friends in Texas and go to the range. We won't have to be so careful that no one sees putting the car gun back in the car from the range bag.
It will make it easier when I visit friends in Texas and go to the range. We won't have to be so careful that no one sees putting the car gun back in the car from the range bag.
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Why elm creek, that means, you know, like "comprehensive"
Common sense is far more important than legislation. "Common sense legislation" is more oxymoron than anything.
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I like how Phil slices and dices the "the naysayers, 2nd Amendment wafflers, those that wouldn't OC on a bet and the chiggers in-general."
Masterful.
Masterful.
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There aren't many here either so its easy to insult my kind of libs though it ain't meant.
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I've seen some of your carry rigs. I reckon even the most anti-OC guys couldn't resist wearing.
I duknow Keith.... I can't help but believe that those who are dead-set against OC in Texas will relax a bit when they see the sky hasn't fallen.
The guys at the Club who cried the loudest about Gun in Bars eventually realized that all their fretting was misguided. Sometimes guys get things stuck in their head and it takes a while to shake loose.
This happens every time. As I recall when CCW was approved in TX, the media and the left started crying that there would be blood in the streets as formerly law abiding citizens started shooting each other over parking spaces.
When IL approved CCW two years ago, the same things were said.
In neither case, has it been true.
This goes all the way back to when FL approved CCW in the mid 1980s. Nowhere has there been increased violence and in fact everywhere that CCW passed, crime rates went down.
Constitutional Carry passed in ME and one of the arguments against it was that if everyone could carry without a permission slip from the state, there would be blood in the streets.
I predict that won't happen.
When IL approved CCW two years ago, the same things were said.
In neither case, has it been true.
This goes all the way back to when FL approved CCW in the mid 1980s. Nowhere has there been increased violence and in fact everywhere that CCW passed, crime rates went down.
Constitutional Carry passed in ME and one of the arguments against it was that if everyone could carry without a permission slip from the state, there would be blood in the streets.
I predict that won't happen.
I've seen some of your carry rigs. I reckon even the most anti-OC guys couldn't resist wearing.
I duknow Keith.... I can't help but believe that those who are dead-set against OC in Texas will relax a bit when they see the sky hasn't fallen.
The guys at the Club who cried the loudest about Gun in Bars eventually realized that all their fretting was misguided. Sometimes guys get things stuck in their head and it takes a while to shake loose.
HorizontalMike
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Drop the Politics Already!
As a CC Texan and a member of the far "LEFT", I have to INSIST that you and your type quit trying to make it an "either/or" situation.
Why does your type keep trying to alienate ALL liberals, instead of searching for common ground with regards to 2nd Amendment rights? Believe it or not there are those of us on the "Left" that cherish our 2nd Amendment rights as much as those on the "Right", so please drop the Party politics thing.
As a CC Texan and a member of the far "LEFT", I have to INSIST that you and your type quit trying to make it an "either/or" situation.
Why does your type keep trying to alienate ALL liberals, instead of searching for common ground with regards to 2nd Amendment rights? Believe it or not there are those of us on the "Left" that cherish our 2nd Amendment rights as much as those on the "Right", so please drop the Party politics thing.
Political views really do not have a place in 2A discussions, I'd agree totally.
The Constitution was written in plain english on purpose. They avoided legalese so that the voters could understand it and vote on it.
So, just read the words of the second amendment. read nothing in and leave nothing out. It's plain and clear that there never should have been any restrictions placed on carrying arms, openly, concealed or otherwise.
The obvious exception of those proven to be violent and untrustworthy is well established and nobody would argue that point. Like jail time, those are the consequences of committing crimes.
Restrictions on carrying firearms came about in the late 19th and early 20th century are were really an attempt to disarm the freed slaves. Look up "Black Codes" or "Black Laws" and you'll find a plethora of information to support this.
Yeah, I know this won't settle it for anyone. Just the view from atop my magnificent beard.
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