fredj338
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Still living up to your handle I see. Sad.
Using rifle powder in a pistol
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Still living up to your handle I see. Sad.
fredj338
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Which was my answer. It's just some can't resist being called out when stating something wrong, like "stick to the books, only book data is valid", blah, blah. Then some get their panties all in a wad. Hey I get it, there are guys that load for 1 or 2 cartridges & never go off book. Just don't pretend to know enough to tell other they can't ever do that. As before, it's all about the degree of going off book.
ruggyh
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from SAAMI
460 S&W Magnum - Maximum pressure 65,000 psi (450 MPa)
500 S&W Magnum - Maximum pressure 60,000 psi (410 MPa)
30-06 Springfield - Maximum pressure 60,200 psi (415 MPa)
Don't know where you got your information
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Guys there is data form good sources using "rifle powder" for the 500 S&W.
Is it suitable for your use? That is up to the owner of the decide.
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If you want reduced recoil loads that have no potential to blow your cylinder into smaller pieces - you cannot overcharge them- "rifle powders" may be for you when used in the 500, but pay attention or an obstruction maybe in your future.
I think this horse has been beat to death.
Good luck and be safe
Ruggy
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buck460XVR
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Ruggyh too has much experience reloading for X-Frames. Again, while it can be done, is it worth it? With the rifle powder the OP has, it probably isn't worth a feeble attempt even at reduced recoil loads. His powder is too slow even for that.
You keep quoting me claiming I said stick to the book or you'll blow your gun up, but none of those quotes said that. They only said the OP will probably get poor performance, which is correct. Since I generally go commando, it's kinda hard to get nuttin' in a wad.
Another thing I hafta agree with ruggyh about. This horse has been beat enough.
forestswin
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The people of this country have already been divided up enough!
Must we be so passionately sub-divided over smokeless powder?
There are rules for safety and there is wiggle room.
Be safe!
Must we be so passionately sub-divided over smokeless powder?
There are rules for safety and there is wiggle room.
Be safe!
Eddie Southgate
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Eddie Southgate
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fredj338
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So where did I say in your last quote about blowing up anything? I was actually agreeing with you about certain powders being less than useful. I think you are just it defensive mode buck. Read the whole thing.
Some gun powders....
Some gun powders have nitro in their formula. Just saying that anything that goes 'pow' will push a bullet out of the barrel, but I don't venture into that territory.
When he was a kid a friend of mine shaved match heads to load his home made cannon and it went off while he was 'ramming the ball home' and almost took off the front of his skull and went right through the cellar ceiling.
Update: I see where powders have been developed that use RDX as an explosive component.
Please let us know when you decide to try the one microgram of nitro load as I would like to be watching .....at a safe distance of course !
Eddie
Some gun powders have nitro in their formula. Just saying that anything that goes 'pow' will push a bullet out of the barrel, but I don't venture into that territory.
When he was a kid a friend of mine shaved match heads to load his home made cannon and it went off while he was 'ramming the ball home' and almost took off the front of his skull and went right through the cellar ceiling.
Update: I see where powders have been developed that use RDX as an explosive component.
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Short reply.....
Just because something CAN be done doesn't mean that you should do it.
Just because something CAN be done doesn't mean that you should do it.
There are more factors......
There are more factors than burn rate. That's just the easiest for loaders to relate to. Burn temperature and amount of gas produced. That's how powders with similar burn rates can differ.
There are more factors than burn rate. That's just the easiest for loaders to relate to. Burn temperature and amount of gas produced. That's how powders with similar burn rates can differ.
Eddie Southgate
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Some gun powders have nitro in their formula. Just saying that anything that goes 'pow' will push a bullet out of the barrel, but I don't venture into that territory.
When he was a kid a friend of mine shaved match heads to load his home made cannon and it went off while he was 'ramming the ball home' and almost took off the front of his skull and went right through the cellar ceiling.
Update: I see where powders have been developed that use RDX as an explosive component.
Yes,
The creamer slows down the explosion rate.
PS: I just found out that nitroglycerin burns at 9000 deg F. I wouldn't shoot a string of bullets because the gun would probably melt.
Might work with the previously listed 1 microgram of nitro as a kicker !
Eddie
The creamer slows down the explosion rate.
PS: I just found out that nitroglycerin burns at 9000 deg F. I wouldn't shoot a string of bullets because the gun would probably melt.
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The slowest powder I used for a revolver load was IMR 4227.
The 357 Magnum had "Blow Back", so I stopped using it.
My J frame snub nose cylinder froze from the dirty unburned powder.
In my 9mm, a full load was not enough to work the slide and could cause a SQUIB.
W296 or 2400 would be my choice of powders in the slow burn rates,
if you have them for your 500.
The 357 Magnum had "Blow Back", so I stopped using it.
My J frame snub nose cylinder froze from the dirty unburned powder.
In my 9mm, a full load was not enough to work the slide and could cause a SQUIB.
W296 or 2400 would be my choice of powders in the slow burn rates,
if you have them for your 500.
Eddie Southgate
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Old eyes got me today. I picked up a box of 125 gr Gold Dot's and a box of Hornady 125's to load some +p 38's for my Colt Cobra. Load is either bullet in Federal nickle cases ( today anyway ) with CCI sp primers and 7 gr of long shot. I loaded 50 of the Hornady's and then 50 of the Gold dots . AS I was putting everything away I noticed that the Gold Dots were not .357 but were for a 357 Sig so they were .355 . This Sucks !
Done some reading on the internet and found a fairly large number of posts stating that this does work but may require a bit more crimp than normal.Went outside and fired one and it sounded like a cap gun ! Stuck a bullet about 1 inch up the barrel . Got the hickory after it and it pops out no problem showing nice deep groves. I got my dies back out and put the seating / crimp die back in the press with the seating stem run out till it could not contact the bullet. Screwed the die body in another 1/4 turn at a time till I got a very heavy crimp. This should work because I read it on the internet. Wrong !! The first bullet hit the 2 inch stick on target I use no problem. The next one sounded like a lady finger firecracker ! Out comes the hickory . Same on the next three so I decided the crimp does not work. Funny thing is ....... NO load book says you should or could use .355 bullets in .38 special . Not saying this can't be made to work but I am saying it didn't . Guess I will just have to buy the correct size bullets and always be sure I wear my glasses when buying bullets.
Done some reading on the internet and found a fairly large number of posts stating that this does work but may require a bit more crimp than normal.Went outside and fired one and it sounded like a cap gun ! Stuck a bullet about 1 inch up the barrel . Got the hickory after it and it pops out no problem showing nice deep groves. I got my dies back out and put the seating / crimp die back in the press with the seating stem run out till it could not contact the bullet. Screwed the die body in another 1/4 turn at a time till I got a very heavy crimp. This should work because I read it on the internet. Wrong !! The first bullet hit the 2 inch stick on target I use no problem. The next one sounded like a lady finger firecracker ! Out comes the hickory . Same on the next three so I decided the crimp does not work. Funny thing is ....... NO load book says you should or could use .355 bullets in .38 special . Not saying this can't be made to work but I am saying it didn't . Guess I will just have to buy the correct size bullets and always be sure I wear my glasses when buying bullets.
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Eddie Southgate
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The people of this country have already been divided up enough!
Must we be so passionately sub-divided over smokeless powder?
Yes .
lhump1961
US Veteran
I'm not wrong just because we differ...the argument has been posted so I'll let it go at that.
Two things....
I wonder how a roll crimp die for a .38 special would do for this?? One time a friend gave me .38 with 9mm bullets and light loads. They shot well, but they were more of a novelty than anything.
The store I go to never has 124 grain 9mm bullets, always 115 grain. (stupid, I know) Every time I snatch a lone box of ammo marked 9mm 124 grain, and thinking it's my lucky day, look closer and it's for 9mm Makarov. Lesson. Wear your glasses.
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Done some reading on the internet and found a fairly large number of posts stating that this does work but may require a bit more crimp than normal.Went outside and fired one and it sounded like a cap gun ! Stuck a bullet about 1 inch up the barrel . Got the hickory after it and it pops out no problem showing nice deep groves. I got my dies back out and put the seating / crimp die back in the press with the seating stem run uo till it could not contact the bullet. Screwed the die body in another 1/4 turn at a time till I got a very heavy crimp. This should work because I read it on the internet. Wrong !! The first bullet hit the 2 inch stick on target I use no problem. The next one sounded like a lady finger firecracker ! Out comes the hickory . Same on the next three so I decided the crimp does not work. Funny thing is ....... NO load book says you should or could use .355 bullets in .38 special . Not saying this can't be made to work but I am saying it didn't . Guess I will just have to buy the correct size bullets and always be sure I wear my glasses when buying bullets.
I wonder how a roll crimp die for a .38 special would do for this?? One time a friend gave me .38 with 9mm bullets and light loads. They shot well, but they were more of a novelty than anything.
The store I go to never has 124 grain 9mm bullets, always 115 grain. (stupid, I know) Every time I snatch a lone box of ammo marked 9mm 124 grain, and thinking it's my lucky day, look closer and it's for 9mm Makarov. Lesson. Wear your glasses.
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Eddie Southgate
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I wonder how a roll crimp die for a .38 special would do for this?? One time a friend gave me .38 with 9mm bullets and light loads. They shot well, but they were more of a novelty than anything.
The store I go to never has 124 grain 9mm bullets, always 115 grain. (stupid, I know) Every time I snatch a lone box of ammo marked 9mm 124 grain, and thinking it's my lucky day, look closer and it's for 9mm Makarov. Lesson. Wear your glasses.
If I had anything to post a picture with I would post one of what a 357 sig GD looks like after it has been crimped heavily with an old time roll crimp die ! The dozen or so that I had left that were re crimped have basically a Keith style crimp groove in them now. The ones that I didn't re crimp look just like they did new out of the box. Live and learn . I'll take the unopened box I have back and give the other box to a friend who shoots 9mm .
Eddie
fredj338
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Yeah, i guess it depends on what your definition of is, is?
