Thinking about a MP15-22 just so

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it can take "a ride on the FedEx truck." Several of you are so giddy that S&W will step up and sell you a $500+ rifle that immediately needs to go back to the factory to be fixed - but hey you get 2 free mags and your rifle gets a ride on a truck - that I want to get one too. Maybe I'll get one that'll blow shrapnel into somebody next to me. That would be so cool to get such a great rifle!!! Gosh we're so lucky to be able to buy these. Endless "congratulations" to everybody who has one, especially if it has blown parts out the ejection port. I'm just giddy thinking about getting one. I hear they're a "blast." Seriously, I've never seen such apologizing from the owners of a defective product. Talk about drinking the Kool-aid. Geez.
 
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I take it you never owned a new Colt 1911 back in the day? First you bought it, then knowing full well it would not work, took it unfired to a good smith to have it "worked over". The analogy here is, sometimes ya just gotta put up with some crap to get a good gun! And here is some good advise, if you dont like it dont buy it.
 
Some people have had problems. Not everyone has had problems. Out of battery discharges appear ammo related to me. There have also been, factory overloaded ammo incidents reported, that have caused minor damage.

Did S&W get swamped, with hundreds of thousands of orders for 15-22s, which led to some rifles being shipped with ejectors and extractors not adjusted to spec? Yes.

Has S&W swiftly paid to ship them back for minor adjustments, and then quickly shipped them right back to their owners in perfect working order? Once again the answer is yes.

Does, S&W customer service, rock balls? ABSOLUTELY.

Does the 15-22 suffer from poor design, materials or workmanship? Absolutely not.

Could the fact that S&W, has completely blown away Colt's Umarex made AR 22 and even cut sharply into Ruger SR-22 and 10/22 sales, make certain gun makers desperate enough to troll M&P 15-22 fan sights? Hmmmmm ...... maybe. :D
 
The options are:

- Never buy a first-gen product; hide in closet with pillows all around

- Live life on the edge and enjoy yourself.

I picked up my 15-22 on Tuesday, and hope to get off work one of these days before it gets dark or starts snowing.
 
I learned to day, that mine was made in the first half of October 2009. Apparently, I am one of the lucky ones, because my baby was sent out up to spec.

So far no problems at all. Now if mine does develop problems, and I cannot tweak the ejector myself or adjust the extractor, then I will send it in for repair. I know, S&W will fix fast and ship it home to me, fast.
 
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I am trying to decide on another tactical 22LR. Presently have a GSG5 and it is a total pain in the #%$. Have rebuilt and modified many, too many times with out good results. Very finicky on ammo brand. Have experienced several out of battery disturbances. Am thinking that the biggest problem is in the magazines. American mags. are not good at all. All that said, I am thinking about the M&P15-22. Yes, I am a little gun-shy of another $470.00 purchase. Know of one person who owns one and has flawless operating performance. My son has the SR22 by Ruger and we found it to be very disappointing which is a result of the all plastic mags. which resulted in misfires, double feeding, and brass not being fully ejected. Bought a new Butler Creek mag with the metal lips and I ran two full mags w/o a problem. With the Ruger, use the metal lipped mags.
Are there any others with good, bad or indifferent experiences with the Smith 22? The Colt seems very cheap and too light even though it is made by a reputable manufacturer, not Colt.
 
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I would find one and get it in hand. Then, before I purchased it, I would call S&W on the cell phone and have them run the serial number to get the build date. If it was made, roughly after September 2009, I think, I would feel safe knowing it was probably already adjusted to spec.

Of course this all depends upon the availability.

If I could only find a 15-22, built at a time when they were so swamped with orders that some made it out before the last minute ejector and extractor adjustment station, I would still buy it.

Then I would either adjust it myself or have it adjusted locally. Or I would shoot it until it had eject or feed issues. Then I would send it in for adjustment. They are worth the minor inconvenience, because they really are that good.
 
I am trying to decide on another tactical 22LR. Presently have a GSG5 and it is a total pain in the #%$. Have rebuilt and modified many, too many times with out good results. Very finicky on ammo brand. Have experienced several out of battery disturbances. Am thinking that the biggest problem is in the magazines. American mags. are not good at all. All that said, I am thinking about the M&P15-22. Yes, I am a little gun-shy of another $470.00 purchase. Know of one person who owns one and has flawless operating performance. My son has the SR22 by Ruger and we found it to be very disappointing which is a result of the all plastic mags. which resulted in misfires, double feeding, and brass not being fully ejected. Bought a new Butler Creek mag with the metal lips and I ran two full mags w/o a problem. With the Ruger, use the metal lipped mags.
Are there any others with good, bad or indifferent experiences with the Smith 22? The Colt seems very cheap and too light even though it is made by a reputable manufacturer, not Colt.

Ex Colt M4 OPS owner here. Several issues with the Colt. Current S&W 15-22 owner. Would buy the 15-22 again. The closest thing (other than a dedicated upper) to the ARs. I feel there will be a lot of aftermarket items available for this rifle in the future. Some are available now.
 
Lynn said:
"certain gun makers desperate enough to troll M&P 15-22 fan sights?"

Lynn also said:

"Does, S&W customer service, rock balls? ABSOLUTELY."
"S&W will fix fast and ship it home to me, fast"
"They are worth the minor inconvenience, because they really are that good."

I agree Lynn. Somebody on here may work for a gunmaker. Hmmmm.

Bobby said:

"And here is some good advise, if you dont like it dont buy it."

Believe me, I was being sarcastic when I said I wanted to get one.
 
Lynn said:
"certain gun makers desperate enough to troll M&P 15-22 fan sights?"

Lynn also said:

"Does, S&W customer service, rock balls? ABSOLUTELY."
"S&W will fix fast and ship it home to me, fast"
"They are worth the minor inconvenience, because they really are that good."

I agree Lynn. Somebody on here may work for a gunmaker. Hmmmm.

Bobby said:

"And here is some good advise, if you dont like it dont buy it."

Believe me, I was being sarcastic when I said I wanted to get one.


Oh for heavens sake bubba. That was all tongue in check now. :)

What is the point though, in coming here just to say, how bad the 15-22 and S&W is and how much you don't want one?

I don't, work for S&W, by the way.
 
Lynn said:
"What is the point though, in coming here just to say, how bad the 15-22 and S&W is and how much you don't want one?"

I like S&W. However there must be 10-12 threads going on where the same few chime in for no apparent reason other than to praise what is obviously a defective product. I don't know if they're trying to validate their choice in rifles or what but all kinds of excuses are being made for an expensive product with a dangerous defect. I know it's just a 22 but I think any firearm that blows parts off of itself should be considered dangerous although many seem willing to just shrug it off.
 
A turd is a turd no matter what logo is on it . Can you say "Viper" ?

A little early to pass a lot of bad juju judment on this gun, but for the price, I will say that there are too many with problems. I hope that clears up fast .
 
Lynn said:
"What is the point though, in coming here just to say, how bad the 15-22 and S&W is and how much you don't want one?"

I like S&W. However there must be 10-12 threads going on where the same few chime in for no apparent reason other than to praise what is obviously a defective product.

Look, bubba, when the 15-22 began to really take off a while back, S&W was swamped with orders beyond their wildest dreams. It is because they were so overwhelmed, that some rifles made it out the door, without first getting final adjustments.

As a result, some rifles, were overly sensitive to ammo variances and had resulting feed and ejection issues. Some magazines also missed final adjustment, and this also contributed to the problem.

The design and materials used in construction and the manufacturing process itself, are all top notch, as is typical of S&W. The 15-22 is a great rifle, and most people have not had any problems with them.

Those few who have had problems, have also soon discovered how great S&W customer service is, because their rifles were swiftly adjusted and returned to them in perfect shape.

Why do I "chime in", in response to bubbas making wild exaggerated claims and the few babies who over reacted and threw tantrums?

I do it because I hate to see my rifle trashed. I do it because S&W is one of the few American owned and operated companies left, who use American labor and American made parts, and I support that.

In fact I only joined this forum because of this very thing. I want to see this great design flourish and spread like wildfire, because it is worthy, and we need this rifle.
 
A turd is a turd no matter what logo is on it . Can you say "Viper" ?

I think that is a true statement.

A little early to pass a lot of bad juju judment on this gun, ....

I think that is also a true statement.

.... but for the price, I will say that there are too many with problems.

I think that is your conjecture, your opinion, and as such I see no point in goin round and round about it. I do, disagree however, don't ya know. :)

I hope that clears up fast .

Thank you for that. I see it clearing up already. Adjust the ejector bar and the ejector tab angel, as well as the interior lip dimensions with a touch of sand paper, of some magazines, and that clears it all up in the vast majority of cases. Those tiny little final adjustments really matter. Of course making wise ammo choices doesn't hurt either. ;)
 
Ya know, our fast food instant gratification society, really has made so many of us overly impatient and excessively dependent. We have become weak as a people really.

Back in the day, when I was still a young girl and what you guys call a hottie now days, you can bet on that, we didn't go to pieces and cry bloody murder when something brand new needed fixin, and you bet that most of the time we fixed it ourselves too.

Some of you guys, not most but some of you, could really use a course in self reliance and patience.
 
Lynn said:
"I do it because I hate to see my rifle trashed."


OK. You are aware it's an inanimate object?


Lynn said:
"Ya know, our fast food instant gratification society, really has made so many of us overly impatient and excessively dependent. We have become weak as a people really.

Back in the day, when I was still a young girl and what you guys call a hottie now days, you can bet on that, we didn't go to pieces and cry bloody murder when something brand new needed fixin, and you bet that most of the time we fixed it ourselves too.

Some of you guys, not most but some of you, could really use a course in self reliance and patience."



Oh good grief. I'll stick with my previous posts.
 
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