cowboy117
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Concealed means concealed.
Attn:KY, OH, TN, residents.
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feralmerril
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Okay. I grew up with "larry". One of 9 or 10 boys and one sister. No father (that hung around long), part indian. Every day was a drama with him or several of the other brothers. Most of them were daredevils, two fell to their deaths as window washers on sky scrapers. The biggest trait all had in common seemed to be a lack of common sense. Many did some jail time. I claim it was mostly because of no father figure they could respect growing up.
Larry was a preacher for awhile. So was another brother, both are dead now. Larry got "defrocked" for many outside antic,s.
When we were boys I remember him fighting with our small town police cheif over his insisting on carrying a bowie knife downtown. Think he was 12 years old. Another time we were working at a cannery. Larry kept everyone awake in the bunkhouse witnessing to them after they had worked 12 to 16 hours. He was banished from the factory but came to see me anyway, and got into a fist fight with the boss. Right after that one he had me drive him to oshkosh to see a girl friend. I didnt know her dad had already forbidded larry from seeing her. Dad came home and they got in a scrap. Then the next day larry go`s to the ol man`s shop to argue again. Somehow I was stupid enough to be there too. The old man calls the cops, larry waits for them and trys to argue it out.
Nuther time I hadnt seen larry in many years. We were brought up in wisconsin, but I am liveing in california. I go home, see a car with wisconsin license plates in my driveway. (I am a batchler). I go in the house to find larry, wife and five kids makeing themselves at home. He had credit carded his way in.
Nuther time I go to wisconsin and larry kidnaps me. Takes me down a abanded RR track that is now a nature trail. We go flying through some peoples back yard that had a BBQ going, with me beating on larry.
Another time larry was traveling to another best friends house from northern michigan to wisconsin. As usual he was about stone broke. He stops at a circle K or similar, buys some balony and a loaf of bread. He is a few cents short, clerk wants the full amount. Larry rips the loaf open, takes out about half the bread, gives the rest of the loaf to the clerk and says, "This should about do it!" The fight is on!
Larry suppelmented his income with poaching. Always in trouble and knew every game warden and cop by first name in the area. (At least they knew his!)
Larry lived by the old testiment. He saw nothing wrong with poaching and cooning vegtables and fruit. He also bent scripture to back up his idea`s.
Once I went home on vacation and he wanted me to go to a farmer to get his skiff back he had hid on the farmers land that the farmer had found and consifcated. The farmer had my last name and was a third or fourth cousin of mine that I didnt know.
The last time I seen larry alive I had taken my new bride, theresa home. As always he somehow heard I was in town and showed up at our motel. Wanted me to get his blazer unstuck in a nearby woods. The land was posted, larry had got stuck, piled branchs over the vehicle to hide it. It wasnt over a hundred yards from some peoples back yard! I got him out and tried to give him a education. Larry died shortly after.
My closest friend back home was also larrys closest friend. We all grew up together. Every time I went home the main subject was larry. My friend pulled his fat from the fire habitualy for over the 40 years I was gone. Larry was a fighter, bugged everyone with "his rights", and wondered why every LEO in the country hated him! Larry was a legend.
Larry was a preacher for awhile. So was another brother, both are dead now. Larry got "defrocked" for many outside antic,s.
When we were boys I remember him fighting with our small town police cheif over his insisting on carrying a bowie knife downtown. Think he was 12 years old. Another time we were working at a cannery. Larry kept everyone awake in the bunkhouse witnessing to them after they had worked 12 to 16 hours. He was banished from the factory but came to see me anyway, and got into a fist fight with the boss. Right after that one he had me drive him to oshkosh to see a girl friend. I didnt know her dad had already forbidded larry from seeing her. Dad came home and they got in a scrap. Then the next day larry go`s to the ol man`s shop to argue again. Somehow I was stupid enough to be there too. The old man calls the cops, larry waits for them and trys to argue it out.
Nuther time I hadnt seen larry in many years. We were brought up in wisconsin, but I am liveing in california. I go home, see a car with wisconsin license plates in my driveway. (I am a batchler). I go in the house to find larry, wife and five kids makeing themselves at home. He had credit carded his way in.
Nuther time I go to wisconsin and larry kidnaps me. Takes me down a abanded RR track that is now a nature trail. We go flying through some peoples back yard that had a BBQ going, with me beating on larry.
Another time larry was traveling to another best friends house from northern michigan to wisconsin. As usual he was about stone broke. He stops at a circle K or similar, buys some balony and a loaf of bread. He is a few cents short, clerk wants the full amount. Larry rips the loaf open, takes out about half the bread, gives the rest of the loaf to the clerk and says, "This should about do it!" The fight is on!
Larry suppelmented his income with poaching. Always in trouble and knew every game warden and cop by first name in the area. (At least they knew his!)
Larry lived by the old testiment. He saw nothing wrong with poaching and cooning vegtables and fruit. He also bent scripture to back up his idea`s.
Once I went home on vacation and he wanted me to go to a farmer to get his skiff back he had hid on the farmers land that the farmer had found and consifcated. The farmer had my last name and was a third or fourth cousin of mine that I didnt know.
The last time I seen larry alive I had taken my new bride, theresa home. As always he somehow heard I was in town and showed up at our motel. Wanted me to get his blazer unstuck in a nearby woods. The land was posted, larry had got stuck, piled branchs over the vehicle to hide it. It wasnt over a hundred yards from some peoples back yard! I got him out and tried to give him a education. Larry died shortly after.
My closest friend back home was also larrys closest friend. We all grew up together. Every time I went home the main subject was larry. My friend pulled his fat from the fire habitualy for over the 40 years I was gone. Larry was a fighter, bugged everyone with "his rights", and wondered why every LEO in the country hated him! Larry was a legend.
rburg
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Maybe its not their rights they are asserting as much as the way they want to go about it. Its usually as offensively as they can manage. Then, as with some posters here, they wonder why others don't jump to their defense. What you'll find is others don't support them. Its not their rights we don't defend or agree with, its the people and their ways we don't like. And we don't want to be associated with them or their causes.
They're pushing issues that most of us don't see a need to be pushing right now. Many of us see gun rights and gun laws going our way over the last 20 or so years. We don't want a jerk to make a spectacle of himself and screw it all up for the rest of us. Maybe this Jared Loughner would be the poster boy for being a screw up.
I realize my views are just mine. But I have a feeling there are a lot of others who feel pretty much the same way. And we vote with a passion. I carry a gun pretty often, but no one except my wife knows for sure (my sons guess pretty good.) I prefer it that way. If you want to open carry, its also OK with me, but I'd prefer you not. If you act like a jerk, wear nazi insignia, or mouth off in public, you become my enemy. Others will take notice of how you act and then start thinking other gun owners are equally stupid. Its the last thing we want.
I really like our new carry laws. It allows me significantly more protection than we could have in the past. What I see are others who want to make the general population feel ill at ease around them. Its just not in my best interest, so I won't support them when they do it in such a way that offends me and others.
Business entities operate on private property. Its in their best interest to make everyone feel comfortable. If they can't do that, they're better off making the most people feel good and banning those who would make them ill at ease. Because they don't know I have a gun in my pocket, I would hope I don't make others nervous. When someone comes in with their concept of the most threatening handgun they can find, its just an open invitation for them to not want you. So when they call the police, the expected takes place. The louder and more offensively you protest, the more locked in place the other peoples opinions of you will become. And that will hurt my rights. In all this I pretty much don't care about your rights if you're asserting them in a way I feel is stupid. I won't support you. Nor will 99 out of 100 others. And when you lose 50 out of 100, you lose.
They're pushing issues that most of us don't see a need to be pushing right now. Many of us see gun rights and gun laws going our way over the last 20 or so years. We don't want a jerk to make a spectacle of himself and screw it all up for the rest of us. Maybe this Jared Loughner would be the poster boy for being a screw up.
I realize my views are just mine. But I have a feeling there are a lot of others who feel pretty much the same way. And we vote with a passion. I carry a gun pretty often, but no one except my wife knows for sure (my sons guess pretty good.) I prefer it that way. If you want to open carry, its also OK with me, but I'd prefer you not. If you act like a jerk, wear nazi insignia, or mouth off in public, you become my enemy. Others will take notice of how you act and then start thinking other gun owners are equally stupid. Its the last thing we want.
I really like our new carry laws. It allows me significantly more protection than we could have in the past. What I see are others who want to make the general population feel ill at ease around them. Its just not in my best interest, so I won't support them when they do it in such a way that offends me and others.
Business entities operate on private property. Its in their best interest to make everyone feel comfortable. If they can't do that, they're better off making the most people feel good and banning those who would make them ill at ease. Because they don't know I have a gun in my pocket, I would hope I don't make others nervous. When someone comes in with their concept of the most threatening handgun they can find, its just an open invitation for them to not want you. So when they call the police, the expected takes place. The louder and more offensively you protest, the more locked in place the other peoples opinions of you will become. And that will hurt my rights. In all this I pretty much don't care about your rights if you're asserting them in a way I feel is stupid. I won't support you. Nor will 99 out of 100 others. And when you lose 50 out of 100, you lose.
cmort666
Member
Excuse me if I fail to see the relevance of all of this to LAWFUL open carry...
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cmort666
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I recall plenty of people not wanting legal concealed carry "pushed" in Ohio. The FOP still doesn't.
Most of the public discussion forums have been visited repeatedly by AHSA members who didn't think that ownership of "assault weapons" (and often handguns) should be "pushed".
Jared Loughner was no more of a "poster boy" for gun owners than Jeffrey Dahmer was for Army veterans or homosexuals.
There are plenty of people who don't think you should carry, or indeed HAVE firearms.
Well it's kind of ironic that you would mention that. The last time somebody tried to harass me for wearing an NRA ballcap, he also noted that he "wasn't so sure" that the Holocaust was a BAD thing.
My mother DOESN'T. Should i stop carrying and pretend that the police will protect me in order to cater to her opinion?
You don't have to "care" about my rights. You just have to respect them as required by LAW, just as I have to respect the rights of a private property owner to forbid me to carry a firearm onto his premises. If either of us don't, there will be consequences.
gregintenn
Member
Mr. Burg stated my opinion a lot better than I'm able to.
FerrilMerril, I really enjoyed your Larry stories.
cmort666, We all understand your rights. Being an *** about it isn't the best way to get others to respect your rights. If I agree with you, but you continue to be obnoxious about it, i'll tend to turn against you pretty quickly. I believe most people are this way as well.
FerrilMerril, I really enjoyed your Larry stories.
cmort666, We all understand your rights. Being an *** about it isn't the best way to get others to respect your rights. If I agree with you, but you continue to be obnoxious about it, i'll tend to turn against you pretty quickly. I believe most people are this way as well.
ohiobuckeye
Member
Glad that's finally settled....everyone just quietly go along with what makes timid folks "comfortable" and all will be well. That's how we finally got CCW in Ohio and Kentucky...wasn't it???...
cmort666
Member
Similarly, we're going to get CCW reform in Ohio by doing what the FOP wants. And when the FOP treats all people with CHLs like drunken hooligans, that convinces everyone that they're mature and not jerks, right...?Glad that's finally settled....everyone just quietly go along with what makes timid folks "comfortable" and all will be well. That's how we finally got CCW in Ohio and Kentucky...wasn't it???...
cmort666
Member
It doesn't seem like it. What does ANY of this have to do with lawful open carry?
feralmerril
Absent Comrade
I cant let this go without a curve shot. Consider this: I really wonder if these restrictive gun laws didnt come about because of people abuseing their privilages? It`s almost a classic western plot to see the cowboys arrive in kansas after a long trail drive from texas running their horses down the street hooping and shooting their revolvers in the air like the peasants do today in the mid east. And then we see how the sheriff makes the boys turn their guns in to the bartender untill they leave. Dont you suppose there was some truth to it and quite possibly thats how gun laws got started to some extendt?
If you have the choice of ccw, why not cc? Why OC and fuel the fire to the populace and have them think you and all that pack are some kind of a nut? Belive me, thats exactly what they think!
If you have the choice of ccw, why not cc? Why OC and fuel the fire to the populace and have them think you and all that pack are some kind of a nut? Belive me, thats exactly what they think!
cmort666
Member
"Privileges"??? When did the 2nd Amendment become a part of the "Bill of PRIVILEGES"???
The central driving factor behind gun control in North America has been race and ethnicity. The first anti-gun laws were intended to disarm Blacks and Indians. The later laws were intended to disarm in addition, Jews, Italians and southern Europeans. If you're going to lynch somebody or keep your foot on the back of somebody's neck, it's a good idea to first disarm them so that they can't shoot you for trying to do it.
If you have the choice of not carrying, and pretending that the police will "protect" you, why not go unarmed? Why carry and fuel the fire to the populace and have them think you and all that pack are some kind of nut? Believe me, that's EXACTLY what they think.
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feralmerril
Absent Comrade
Seems we had this same discussion a couple months ago. We went back and forth untill I threw in the towel and told you I give up!
I guess I didnt learn my lesson. It`s obvious you, me and many more arent going to change our old views.
I am a gun lover, freedom lover, probley in the top 15% of gun collectors on this site, was required to carry on my humble jobs for about 37 years, retired, still keep up my ccw, and been a gun person since I can remember. I aint no cherry, and love to see people carry in the boonies. When I see some one carry in town I figure them either a plain cloths LEO or a wannabe idiot.
I guess I didnt learn my lesson. It`s obvious you, me and many more arent going to change our old views.
I am a gun lover, freedom lover, probley in the top 15% of gun collectors on this site, was required to carry on my humble jobs for about 37 years, retired, still keep up my ccw, and been a gun person since I can remember. I aint no cherry, and love to see people carry in the boonies. When I see some one carry in town I figure them either a plain cloths LEO or a wannabe idiot.
tbury
Member
When the weapon in question was seen the business owner or employees have the right under KY statute to ask you to leave. If you refuse, you become libel to be charged with misdemeanor trespass. This info comes from my KY CCW training material. The fact that they overreacted and called the police is probably a result of news events and publicity in addition to no clear policy set by the store.
By the way J-B is in financial difficulty due to the divorce of the owners.
By the way J-B is in financial difficulty due to the divorce of the owners.
rburg
Member
Oh no, they're not wannabe idiots, they're almost always full fledged idiots!
They push for the fun of pushing and causing a disturbance. Then the locals stop having a sense of humor and arrest them for disorderly conduct just to get back to doing something worth while. Eating donuts and drinking coffee is much more productive than listening to some jerk argue about his rights. Putting him in jail until he blows a fuse or two will at least keep the town quiet (and safer) than allowing him to upset little old ladies.
m657
Member
I am moved to respond to this thread by a rather unsettling series of reports on the local news tonight.
Story 1 was LEO discovering 2 dead in a local area home, probable murder/suicide.
Story 2: in my small hometown, not a mile from where I write this, a local 60 year old man this morning asks his neighbor to call the police.....he had just shot and killed his 40 year old son.
Story 3
My local SASS cowboy club had been asked to do live-interview about the type of matches & shooting events at our range.
I had forgotten about it, but wasn't there for this particular match....shot today.
The SASS story was presented straight forward with no spin from the news people.
I was surprised to find what MY reaction was, to the story about the club I often DO shoot with and people I DID know....innocently presenting their own story, on the very coat tails of the previous 2 news items.
I believe this juxtaposition of shooting stories represents one of the conflicting emotions gun owners encounter.
Story 1 was LEO discovering 2 dead in a local area home, probable murder/suicide.
Story 2: in my small hometown, not a mile from where I write this, a local 60 year old man this morning asks his neighbor to call the police.....he had just shot and killed his 40 year old son.
Story 3
My local SASS cowboy club had been asked to do live-interview about the type of matches & shooting events at our range.
I had forgotten about it, but wasn't there for this particular match....shot today.
The SASS story was presented straight forward with no spin from the news people.
I was surprised to find what MY reaction was, to the story about the club I often DO shoot with and people I DID know....innocently presenting their own story, on the very coat tails of the previous 2 news items.
I believe this juxtaposition of shooting stories represents one of the conflicting emotions gun owners encounter.
NFrameFred
Member
Just because something is legal doesn't necessarily make it a good idea to practice in certain situations. Those who insist on this 'in-your-face' type of attitude may have the law on their side . . . for now . . . until they pizz off enough of the leftists who vote to effect a change in the law - again.
No amount of reasoning is going to reach someone who has made up his mind on this that his 'rights are being trampled'. I've seen this same discussion carried on ad nauseum on another forum where one or two stalwarts insist it's their legal right to text while driving and that they can do it safely. No amount of discussion can dissuade them from that view. Because they are right. Always. End of discussion. It's not illegal and they have rights.
No amount of reasoning is going to reach someone who has made up his mind on this that his 'rights are being trampled'. I've seen this same discussion carried on ad nauseum on another forum where one or two stalwarts insist it's their legal right to text while driving and that they can do it safely. No amount of discussion can dissuade them from that view. Because they are right. Always. End of discussion. It's not illegal and they have rights.
cmort666
Member
I have no idea what you're talking about, but in Ohio, lawful open carry isn't "disorderly conduct" and if you arrest somebody for it under that charge (or "inducing panic"), you're going to get sued, and lose.
cmort666
Member
And Bloomberg and the rest of the anti-gunners feel EXACTLY that way about you OWNING a gun.
Lets try a couple of these:
"Just because it's legal for you to wear that crucifix doesn't necessarily make it a good idea in certain situations."
"Just because it's legal for you to wear that American flag pin doesn't necessarily make it a good idea in certain situations."
I'm sure that any number of people could explain to you how "offensive" either one of those items are and how you shouldn't wear them in public, no matter how LEGAL it is to do so.
NFrameFred
Member
"No amount of reasoning is going to reach someone who has made up his mind on this that his 'rights are being trampled'. I've seen this same discussion carried on ad nauseum on another forum where one or two stalwarts insist it's their legal right to text while driving and that they can do it safely. No amount of discussion can dissuade them from that view. Because they are right. Always. End of discussion. It's not illegal and they have rights"
I rest my case.
cmort666
Member
Likewise somebody who either doesn't believe in rights or believes that they should be waived in order to be "popular" with people who will hate you regardless.
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