silentflyer
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Everyone should realize this is a no win situation with the mass media, they think a 13yo with a .22 single shot squirrel rifle is a potential mass murder in waiting.
Shouldn't We Gun Owners Say Something about the Aurora Shooting?
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MrAmbassador
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"I am convinced that we can do to guns what we've done to drugs: create a multi-billion dollar underground market over which we have absolutely no control."
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MrAmbassador
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Before 1934 you could mail order a machine gun. Yes times have changed.
jtpur
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Yes we should let me give you some example.
"Assualt weapons should be banned."
Ok what is an assualt weapon can you tell me?
Semi automatics should be banned?
Ok what is a semi automatic weapon?
Assualt weapons are weapons only the military should have.
Yes, every farmer in 1976 owned an assualt rifle that he used to help defeat the British.. you mean every rifle used by the military?
Just ask them questions, it matters not what the answer is.
You will find, they are ignorant, have opinions formed based on buzz words and emotion. You may not change them but maybe you might educate them and if not who cares. I own guns they dont.....Will our Military fire on us... Did the military fire on citizens in 1861?
"Assualt weapons should be banned."
Ok what is an assualt weapon can you tell me?
Semi automatics should be banned?
Ok what is a semi automatic weapon?
Assualt weapons are weapons only the military should have.
Yes, every farmer in 1976 owned an assualt rifle that he used to help defeat the British.. you mean every rifle used by the military?
Just ask them questions, it matters not what the answer is.
You will find, they are ignorant, have opinions formed based on buzz words and emotion. You may not change them but maybe you might educate them and if not who cares. I own guns they dont.....Will our Military fire on us... Did the military fire on citizens in 1861?
I posted a comment this morning about an article that asks a very important question: Why did nobody in that theater fight back? The author was not aware that the theater was "gun-free," but his question is still valid: Why didn't somebody do something, like maybe tackling the guy as he changed mags?
Somehow, given the fact that American men now stand by silently as their wives and daughters are felt up by government "workers" just so they can get on an airplane, I am not too surprised.
In my comment I quoted the copyrighted article directly, and the moderator rightly deleted the post because of that boneheaded violation of forum rules.
Here's the article if you're interested. (NB: I am not familiar with this site and don't necessarily endorse anything else you might find there.)
Somehow, given the fact that American men now stand by silently as their wives and daughters are felt up by government "workers" just so they can get on an airplane, I am not too surprised.
In my comment I quoted the copyrighted article directly, and the moderator rightly deleted the post because of that boneheaded violation of forum rules.
Here's the article if you're interested. (NB: I am not familiar with this site and don't necessarily endorse anything else you might find there.)
44_Triple Lock
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That's expected soon they will all be chanting the same mantra.
They're not forgetting, instead they are seeking ways to limit and outright remove the rights of the people. The NRA and every other pro-gun group in the coming days will be taking a media bashing from, oh, lets just say water runs down hill and it starts at the top, if you know what I mean.
F.B.I data pointing this fact out is totally ignored as it tears apart their strawman argument. Some anti gun newspapers actually published the names & addresses' of cc permit holders not to long ago. I say the names & addresses of the anti0gunners should be published as well! Just to be fair by leveling the playing field so to speak and see what becomes of it!
I totally disagree with this statement. His gun jammed he could have been rushed and taken down physicially as well. I know its a moot point, as I would not take my wife & kids out at that hour to see a movie,yet, in order to protect them. i would prefer to get shot charging at the perp to protect my family, than get shot running away. Due to the fact I may get shot either way, and given the odds I'm faced with in that situation. I'd try an stop more carnage.
Correct me where possible. I fail to see what a laser sight would have done using the same ammunition that would fail had he been wearing that much "armor" and no laser sight. When lasers were first introduced, i purchased a Leupold model, when sighted in for self defense distance 30 feet. The laser sight proved itself to be a rather expensive gimmick. Bench resting results proved it printed not to point of aim but to other areas of the target both before 30ft and beyond 30ft. The major selling point of laser sights is. A red dot on the threat would be visual confirmation, perps would take notice of the red dot dancing on their chest and surrender without firing shots. Can any LEO make a case in point either way?Perps are usually preoccupied with other things, than to take notice of an red dot on his person.
We better not ! It's called personal responsibility in a free country with individual rights for every individual who exercise the free will he has been born with.
Law abiding citizns have been doing so since time began. We don't place locks on doors & windows to keep law abiding people out, but to keep the criminals out.
YES, Absolutely! The law abiding gun owner who goes through the process of attaining a class 3 tax stamp for such items as a silencer. I say Amen!! This is America, home of the free and the brave, more power to him/her. Large magazines (20-30 rnds)? Absolutely and increased capacity as well. The 2nd Amendment ain't about duck or deer huning, its about protecting our freedoms & way of life from enemies foreign AND domestic. We can't come to a consensus, because that consensus would only be qualified as a success, with a total compromise & surrender on the gun owners behalf. Letters to any editor of any public media outlet do no good, as these newspapers are strictly anti-gun. It would amount to nothing more than a waste of time & effort, as past attempts show this to be so.They need to be bypassed altogether. I ain't here to buy the world a coke, sing it a song or keep it company or compromise with anti-gunners by sitting with them and singing kum by ya!
We don't need more gun laws, we simply need the DOinJ to enforce the gunlaws already on the books and not break every law and committing felonies by send guns across the border into Mexico
People need to be re-educated and realize they need to purchase and carry a gun or guns to protect themselves and their families. Why?
Its easier to carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.
That's the spirit! We are talking about individual liberty here, which by definition should never need the approval of the majority. Consensus, conschmensus, just leave me the heck alone!
THIS^^^^^^
Heard Diane Feinstein say something over the weekend about "hunting rifles"
There's no compromising with these people, the only one doing the compromising would be gun owners, the left has no intent on compromise. Witness about 3 /12 years ago, "we won the election, you need to sit in the back of the bus".
44_Triple Lock
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What I really think concerning this shooting
IMO, this Colorado shooting was staged by the Government. It's version # 2 of fast & furious. Staged just in time for a vote on the UN small arms treaty.
This shooting looks deliberately staged by the government itself just as Operation Fast and Furious was staged by the ATF, which smuggled tens of thousands of guns into Mexico for the sole purpose of causing "gun violence" in the USA, then blame the Second Amendment for it.
It wouldn't be a surprise to discover someone in Washington is behind it all. Consider the inconsistencies that question the mainstream explanation of events. He opened fire on innocent people but then calmly surrendered to police without resistance? Is that consistent with the idea of "killing everyone."?
Then he admitted to police that his apartment was booby-trapped with explosives. If you were really an evil-minded Joker trying to kill people (including cops), why warn them about booby traps in advance?
That doesn't add up. The police would have gone to that apartment anyway to conduct their investagation.
It's also strange how the mother was quickly found in L.A or Vegas or what have ya. On the news reports i saw that morning, she had to get to this crime scene because "she knew it was her son and knew he would do something like this one day" If that is true why didn't she seek professional help for her child? According to her words he didn't develop mental problems overnight, but over a long period of time that was observable. I guess she didn't love her son all that much.
I don't buy the gun range owners story either about the "red flag conditions" as to why he turned down Holmes request to join a private gun range, as he saw reasons for "red flags" yet never alerted police? IMO, its all pre-manfactured cooked up baloney.
Inside the apartment devices were described as sophisticated, adding the booby-traps were 'something I've never seen.' One rifle, two handguns, a knife, a bullet proof vest, a ballistic helmet, a gas device, a gas mask, military SWAT clothing and unidentified explosives were also found in Holmes' car, a law enforcement source told CBS News. "Aurora Police Chief Dan Oates said Holmes' apartment is booby-trapped with a 'sophisticated' maze of flammable devices. It could take hours or days for authorities to disarm it," in addition to mortar rounds Yes mortar rounds! How intense would fire need to be to "cook off" those rounds and the buckets of ammo?
In other words, this guy was equipped with gear by someone with connections to military equipment. SWAT clothing, explosives, complex booby-traps… this isn't a "lone gunman picture."
How does an unemployed medical student afford atleast $20,000 in weapons gear?
Really, how does an unemployed medical student afford such complex weapons gear, bomb-making gear, "flammable" booby trap devices, ammunition, multiple magazines, bullet-proof vest, groin protection, ballistic helmet, SWAT uniform, and all the rest of it, ket alone to be genius enough to deploy said material.
I smell red herring being waved by this administration to distract from Fast & Furious. Suddenly that has been placed on the back burner and ~hoodwink~ forgotten about. This is Holders "get out of jail" monolopy pass. How nice that's all "water under the bridge" an we shall see what saith Sen Issa now? I for one ain't letting Fast & Furious go, nor the injustice done to Brian Terry & his family.
This shooting is a cowardly callious tragedy, no doubt about it. That the suspect in this case didn't commit "cop-a-cide" is highly suspect, when 99.9 percent of them end that way. Pass the gas mask because the red herring has reached critical mass.
An AR-15 rifle (S&W)costs $1,000 or more by itself. The shotgun (Remington 870) and two Glock handguns probably cost more than $800. (Isn't it so neat to know the manufacturer of allegedly used firearms, as if that would make any difference?)(Just a pet peeve of mine I suppose)Depending on the condition of each when purchased...NIB or used. Spare mags, sights, slings, and so on will run you at least another $1,000 across three firearms. The bullet-proof vest is easily another $800. The cost of bomb-making gear? Who knows. With all the specialty body gear, ammunition, booby-trap devices, and more, this has to be at least $20,000 in weapons and tactical gear, much of which is very difficult for civilians to get in the first place.
How was it known so rapidly that 6,000 rounds of ammo were purchased online, when the apartment could not be entered? Buckets & buckets of ammo? Where can 5.65 ammo be purchased in buckets? My last purchase of Wolf ammo of a thousand rounds came packaged in 50 round boxes. Help me out here men, because I'm of limited intelligence, being a rocket surgeon...??? Haha gotcha, Anybody can be a rocket scientist.. but to be a rocket surgeon tha's a whole new ball of wax. LOL To the anti-gunners or anti 2nd Amendment, aka "smart imbicells" (sic). I may have been born at night, but it wasn't last night.
The manufacture of an explosive booby-trap device is, all by itself, a felony crime. And remember: Aurora Police Chief Dan Oates said Holmes' apartment is booby-trapped with a 'sophisticated' maze of flammable devices. It could take hours or days for authorities to disarm it. So where does an unemployed, introverted medical school student get the training to deploy sophisticated booby traps, tactical body armor, weapons systems, and more?
Certainly not in graduate school! IMO, this indicates an obvious third party influence over all this. Someone taught this guy these skills and funded the acquisition of the equipment. What quicker way to disarm a nation and take total control over the population than to stage violence, blame it on firearms, then call for leaders to "do something!" Such calls result in gun confiscation, after that, government genocide really kicks into high gear, as we saw with Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao and other tyrants.
Someone in the current regime said it would be a shame to let an opportunity in time of a tragedy to go to waste or some words to that effect, may have been Axelrod or the dancing ballerina boy Rahm (dead fish)Emmamual.
The most dangerous thing in the world, is government with "monopoly of force" over the entire population.That's exactly what the UN spells out as its goal for the world: stripping all power from individual citizens and handing "monopolies of force" to the governments of the world. This Obama regime & Soros is bent on handing America over to the UN on a silver platter.
IMO, this Colorado shooting was staged by the Government. It's version # 2 of fast & furious. Staged just in time for a vote on the UN small arms treaty.
This shooting looks deliberately staged by the government itself just as Operation Fast and Furious was staged by the ATF, which smuggled tens of thousands of guns into Mexico for the sole purpose of causing "gun violence" in the USA, then blame the Second Amendment for it.
It wouldn't be a surprise to discover someone in Washington is behind it all. Consider the inconsistencies that question the mainstream explanation of events. He opened fire on innocent people but then calmly surrendered to police without resistance? Is that consistent with the idea of "killing everyone."?
Then he admitted to police that his apartment was booby-trapped with explosives. If you were really an evil-minded Joker trying to kill people (including cops), why warn them about booby traps in advance?
That doesn't add up. The police would have gone to that apartment anyway to conduct their investagation.
It's also strange how the mother was quickly found in L.A or Vegas or what have ya. On the news reports i saw that morning, she had to get to this crime scene because "she knew it was her son and knew he would do something like this one day" If that is true why didn't she seek professional help for her child? According to her words he didn't develop mental problems overnight, but over a long period of time that was observable. I guess she didn't love her son all that much.
I don't buy the gun range owners story either about the "red flag conditions" as to why he turned down Holmes request to join a private gun range, as he saw reasons for "red flags" yet never alerted police? IMO, its all pre-manfactured cooked up baloney.
Inside the apartment devices were described as sophisticated, adding the booby-traps were 'something I've never seen.' One rifle, two handguns, a knife, a bullet proof vest, a ballistic helmet, a gas device, a gas mask, military SWAT clothing and unidentified explosives were also found in Holmes' car, a law enforcement source told CBS News. "Aurora Police Chief Dan Oates said Holmes' apartment is booby-trapped with a 'sophisticated' maze of flammable devices. It could take hours or days for authorities to disarm it," in addition to mortar rounds Yes mortar rounds! How intense would fire need to be to "cook off" those rounds and the buckets of ammo?
In other words, this guy was equipped with gear by someone with connections to military equipment. SWAT clothing, explosives, complex booby-traps… this isn't a "lone gunman picture."
How does an unemployed medical student afford atleast $20,000 in weapons gear?
Really, how does an unemployed medical student afford such complex weapons gear, bomb-making gear, "flammable" booby trap devices, ammunition, multiple magazines, bullet-proof vest, groin protection, ballistic helmet, SWAT uniform, and all the rest of it, ket alone to be genius enough to deploy said material.
I smell red herring being waved by this administration to distract from Fast & Furious. Suddenly that has been placed on the back burner and ~hoodwink~ forgotten about. This is Holders "get out of jail" monolopy pass. How nice that's all "water under the bridge" an we shall see what saith Sen Issa now? I for one ain't letting Fast & Furious go, nor the injustice done to Brian Terry & his family.
This shooting is a cowardly callious tragedy, no doubt about it. That the suspect in this case didn't commit "cop-a-cide" is highly suspect, when 99.9 percent of them end that way. Pass the gas mask because the red herring has reached critical mass.
An AR-15 rifle (S&W)costs $1,000 or more by itself. The shotgun (Remington 870) and two Glock handguns probably cost more than $800. (Isn't it so neat to know the manufacturer of allegedly used firearms, as if that would make any difference?)(Just a pet peeve of mine I suppose)Depending on the condition of each when purchased...NIB or used. Spare mags, sights, slings, and so on will run you at least another $1,000 across three firearms. The bullet-proof vest is easily another $800. The cost of bomb-making gear? Who knows. With all the specialty body gear, ammunition, booby-trap devices, and more, this has to be at least $20,000 in weapons and tactical gear, much of which is very difficult for civilians to get in the first place.
How was it known so rapidly that 6,000 rounds of ammo were purchased online, when the apartment could not be entered? Buckets & buckets of ammo? Where can 5.65 ammo be purchased in buckets? My last purchase of Wolf ammo of a thousand rounds came packaged in 50 round boxes. Help me out here men, because I'm of limited intelligence, being a rocket surgeon...??? Haha gotcha, Anybody can be a rocket scientist.. but to be a rocket surgeon tha's a whole new ball of wax. LOL To the anti-gunners or anti 2nd Amendment, aka "smart imbicells" (sic). I may have been born at night, but it wasn't last night.
The manufacture of an explosive booby-trap device is, all by itself, a felony crime. And remember: Aurora Police Chief Dan Oates said Holmes' apartment is booby-trapped with a 'sophisticated' maze of flammable devices. It could take hours or days for authorities to disarm it. So where does an unemployed, introverted medical school student get the training to deploy sophisticated booby traps, tactical body armor, weapons systems, and more?
Certainly not in graduate school! IMO, this indicates an obvious third party influence over all this. Someone taught this guy these skills and funded the acquisition of the equipment. What quicker way to disarm a nation and take total control over the population than to stage violence, blame it on firearms, then call for leaders to "do something!" Such calls result in gun confiscation, after that, government genocide really kicks into high gear, as we saw with Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao and other tyrants.
Someone in the current regime said it would be a shame to let an opportunity in time of a tragedy to go to waste or some words to that effect, may have been Axelrod or the dancing ballerina boy Rahm (dead fish)Emmamual.
The most dangerous thing in the world, is government with "monopoly of force" over the entire population.That's exactly what the UN spells out as its goal for the world: stripping all power from individual citizens and handing "monopolies of force" to the governments of the world. This Obama regime & Soros is bent on handing America over to the UN on a silver platter.
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StatesRightist
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To add to 44's......
He has been part of "deep psychological testing" in the past. Check out all of the terrorist's plots the FBI admits to funding...in an attempt to find out all of the conspirators. Classic PSYOP, I agree.
He has been part of "deep psychological testing" in the past. Check out all of the terrorist's plots the FBI admits to funding...in an attempt to find out all of the conspirators. Classic PSYOP, I agree.
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Yes.....
They are behind it. It takes all the heat off signing the UN gun treaty. Hillary will ask the rest of the world for help confiscating guns here so the U.S. can honor the treaty.
They killed all the people in Oklahoma City, too. Here they are, back again, and in a hurry.
Ned
They are behind it. It takes all the heat off signing the UN gun treaty. Hillary will ask the rest of the world for help confiscating guns here so the U.S. can honor the treaty.
They killed all the people in Oklahoma City, too. Here they are, back again, and in a hurry.
Ned
Kelly Green
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The media has its own agenda and we all know what that is. The day after the shooting, the brother of Texan Jessica Ghawi, who was killed in the theater, was interviewed by a local TV reporter from Dallas. During the interview he made comments to the fact that he hoped the tragedy would not turn political and that the issue should not be about guns but should focus on the victims. That and other comments led me to believe that he is pro-gun.
Later that evening I saw the same interview on national news and guess what, his pro-gun comments had been edited out.
Later that evening I saw the same interview on national news and guess what, his pro-gun comments had been edited out.
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Whatever the gun grabbers believe, things continue to work against them. More people in Colorado are buying guns and getting concealed permits. And violent crime will probably continue to decrease, as it has for many years at the same time private citizens are arming themselves by the millions each year. Of course there is a correlation.
Armed citizens are even statistically better than cops in some ways. They shoot more accurately, and often maintain a higher level of firearms training and proficiency than many police officers. In fact, concealed carry holders are actually less likely to commit a crime than police officers are.
Armed citizens are even statistically better than cops in some ways. They shoot more accurately, and often maintain a higher level of firearms training and proficiency than many police officers. In fact, concealed carry holders are actually less likely to commit a crime than police officers are.
I have a few issues here with your post.
The first is that the Second Amendment (Or as I prefer to call it, Article Two of the Bill Of Rights) "grants" us these rights. Sir, it does no such thing. The Bill of Rights does not "grant" any rights. It protects them. That is an important point.
Secondly you talk about "do we really need" certain things. In all honesty, we probably don't "need" any of the things you mention. There are many thing we can posses in this country that we have no "need" for. We don't have to demonstrate need to own things. That is a slippery slope I don't think we want to go down.
Certain people in government would be happy if we, the Citizens (Subjects) were totally relying on our government to supply EVERY need. Is that the country you want to live in?
Jim
Well said, Jim. The Constitution was meant to be a listing of the specific powers that the states and the people grant to the federal government. Everything else was to be off limits. Since nowhere in the original Constitution does it grant the feds any power to restrict firearms, that power does not exist. No Second Amendment is necessary as long as that principle is followed.
But I would go further. The Bill of Rights cannot even be counted on to protect our rights from assault by power-hungry politicians. The states and the people have to do that by ignoring anything the feds do that is not expressly authorized by the Constitution.
We are not supposed to be relying on nine tyrants in black robes to determine constitutionality. It is nonsensical to trust a part of the government to make the final decision on how much power that same government will have.
plbrgene
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You might add the shooting at Kent state in the 60's by the military.
johnsonl
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The tone that I'm gleaning from this tragedy is that the liberal media/politicians are being ignored in their cries for more gun control. Everyone else has accepted that the second amendment will stand as the SCOTUS has interpreted it, as an individual right. All intelligent politicians recognize that this is a no win topic. That's why Obama used Holder to run "Fast and Furious 'behind the scenes'" to gain sympathy for more gun control-he knew he couldn't get it through congress, just as he can't ram through illegal alien amnesty.
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