Pistol caliber carbine

[NE450No2]

The 44 Mag Carbine.

Yes, it maybe a little outside the gist of the OP, but here are some random thoughts:

The first Centerefire rifle I ever owned was a Ruger 44 Mag Semiauto Deerstalker. I was in JR. High.

I killed a LOT of deer with it. I have owned a Marlin 1894, and currently own a Winchester 1894 Trapper, with a 16" barrel. I have killed a few pigs with it.

IMHO the 44 Mag rifle, out to @125 yards kills deer and pigs as good or better than a 308 or a 30/06. It is litterly the Hammer OF Thor.

As a plus there are many places where a semiauto is verboten.
A 44 Mag lever rifle makes a Great house/vehicle/Utility/Camp rifle.
Where Legal of course.

As I stated in my above post, the only negative about a quality pistol calibre carbine over a "real" rifle, is it is less in power, and less in range.

Many times you do not need or want "all" that power and range".

And again, a Pistol calibre is a LOT of FUN...
That can get Serious if Necessary...

 

[NE450No2]

RedneckAbbott, I had a local friend that builds ARs assemble a 7.5" 556 pistol for me. VERY accurate out to 150 yards, minimal recoil & noise thanks to the claymore muzzle adapter, & very light weight. It does everything my 9mm carbines did with rifle velocity & commonality with my other ARs.

I use a CMMG 22lr bolt kit in it for drills & plinking with the kids.

Not to HiJack this thread, but I am going to build me an AR 223/5.56 pistol, mainly for a vehicle traveling gun. I am torn between a 7.5" barrel and a 10" barrrel. I like the thought of the 7.5" barrel for portability, but I used a 10" barreled M4 Commando as an entry gun for several years. It would make head shots at 100 yards and body shots to 300 yards no problem.

So, Ohsheepdog tell me why you went with the 7.5" barrel...

 

[thebeamanater107]

The 44 Mag Carbine.

Yes, it maybe a little outside the gist of the OP, but here are some random thoughts:

The first Centerefire rifle I ever owned was a Ruger 44 Mag Semiauto Deerstalker. I was in JR. High.

I killed a LOT of deer with it. I have owned a Marlin 1894, and currently own a Winchester 1894 Trapper, with a 16" barrel. I have killed a few pigs with it.

IMHO the 44 Mag rifle, out to @125 yards kills deer and pigs as good or better than a 308 or a 30/06. It is litterly the Hammer OF Thor.

As a plus there are many places where a semiauto is verboten.
A 44 Mag lever rifle makes a Great house/vehicle/Utility/Camp rifle.
Where Legal of course.

As I stated in my above post, the only negative about a quality pistol calibre carbine over a "real" rifle, is it is less in power, and less in range.

Many times you do not need or want "all" that power and range".

And again, a Pistol calibre is a LOT of FUN...
That can get Serious if Necessary...

As far as my original theory went, my curiosity was already fulfilled and I was on to other things so I'm not trying to guide the thread anymore.

But your thoughts on a 44mag are opposite mine. Keep in mind, I'm 25 and have shot a whole lot of modern guns from 9mm to 5.56 to 7.62 and 50 cal. But when it comes to lever guns and and wheelguns, I've got a lever 22lr and dad has a model 19 and 29. Also I had dad's 30-30 fixed and given back to him for a Christmas present and I ran about 20 test rounds through it to make sure it was all good. That's it.

So I've taken a good hard look at lever guns. From 22 up to 357 magnum I'm ok with, but I turned my nose up to the 45 long colt and 44 magnum I'm favor of the 30-30. My thoughts were if you're going that big you might as well get a real rifle round. Now you're causing me to re-visit my opinions and think it over again.

Which brings me to my point that ends in question marks. I think, based off all my above stated experience, a 30-30 will fly farther than a 44 magnum assuming a competent shooter and about the same rifle. So for 200 yards or more I would choose the 30-30. But in the 100 yards and less range, what's the difference between 44 magnum and 30-30? I'm looking up the bullet weights as soon as I get done typing, in case you bring up velocities so I can guess at momentum and stopping power.

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[Mike Grasso]

I have a RMW Extreme 45 from Ron Williams. It's a AR based DI 45. Not a blowback, works great, flawless function and a dedicated lower.

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[Ohsheepdog]

NEN02, PM me & I'll tell you so we aren't hijacking the thread![emoji56]

 

[NE450No2]

thebeamanator107

I have used a Winchester 30/30 Trapper to kill a few deer, and one of my favorite hunting rifles is a Heym over/under double rifle in 30/30, I have killed several deer, wild pigs and several coyotes, and a few turkeys with it. It is made in Germany. I have found the 30/30 to be a most excellent deer, wild pig, coyote, and even a turkey rifle.

So the following Random Thoughts come from a guy that likes the 30/30 and the 44 Mag in rifles.

In a lever rifle the 44 Mag has the following advantages:
It uses the same ammo as your 44 Mag handgun.
It holds more rounds than a 30/30, useful for personal defense situations.
Out to 125 yards [in my personal experience] it kills deer, and wild pig as good as ANYTHING, and I have shot deer and pigs with the 300 Mag, 375 H&H, as well as rifles like the 450/400, and the 450 No2, both cape buffalo and Elephant rifles.

For a BIG bear protection rifle I would prefer a 44 Mag rifle over a 30/30, because I know a 300 gr hard cast or hard SP will give me the penetration I need...

Now the 30/30 will be much more accurate at 100 yards and beyond.
A scoped 30/30 is easially a 200 yard deer/pig rifle.
You can find 30/30 ammo most anywhere, yes not quite as well as the "old days", but the same goes for all ammo as well.

In choosing between the two, if I was carrying a 44 Mag handgun while in the field, and/or needed a handy Utility rifle in bear country, or wanted a lever rifle as a car or house rifle for personal protection I would prefer the 44 Mag...

For a dedicated deer/pig rifle, especially with a scope, a 30/30 would be a slightly better choice, IMHO.

 

[roundgunner]

I like the 40. This one stays with the wife in the house if I have to go out to see what went bump in the night. It I not wicked loud like a 223/30-06.

I'm not a coroner but I think a 180gr JHP going over 1300 FPS is going to leave a pretty easy wound path to follow.

 

[thebeamanater107]

I like the 40. This one stays with the wife in the house if I have to go out to see what went bump in the night. It I not wicked loud like a 223/30-06.

I'm not a coroner but I think a 180gr JHP going over 1300 FPS is going to leave a pretty easy wound path to follow.

As far as those bullet size debates go, I agree with bullet placement as long as it's at least a 380. And I think that gun is pretty simple and perfect for a woman, probably a better choice than a shotgun. That's a nice set up and practical application

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[JayFramer]

You could always get an 1892 lever action in .357 magnum.

Now THAT'S a pistol-caliber carbine! A 158 grain .357 pill traveling at 2153 fps producing 1626 ft. lbs of energy is nothing to sneeze at.

 

[thebeamanater107]

You could always get an 1892 lever action in .357 magnum.

Now THAT'S a pistol-caliber carbine! A 158 grain .357 pill traveling at 2153 fps producing 1626 ft. lbs of energy is nothing to sneeze at.

I've been eyeballing those Henry lever actions since I have one in 22. I eyeball the marlin 30-30 all the time. I think I'm leaning more towards western than tactical. I don't think I'll ever get that Beretta I wanted so badly when I started this thread

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[Frank46]

Both of my marlin 1894 pistol caliber carbines were bought second hand. Little specs of rust on the 357 and also the 44 mag. But at $160 for the 357 and about $250 for the 44 mag I'm not complaining. The 357 is pretty accurate out to 100 yds as well as the 44 mag. And of course the 44 mag is a little thumper at both ends. Definitely let's you know you fired something. Ruger used to make a PCC I believe in 40 S&W but I've never seen one or know if they still offer them. Frank

 

[mrmike7189]

the Ruger Police carbines are the best!

the best ones ever made are the rugers ....they are discontinued, but available used for around 700.....still cheaper than the beretta storm

 

[Ohsheepdog]

I had one of the Rugers, but was frustrated with the magazine length & availability. Was 100% accurate though!

Best non-semi auto carbine I've had other than my Henry 22 is a IMI Timberwolf in 38/357. Only drawbacks were the fragile stock & lack of parts...and don't ever disassemble it unless you have a few hours to fiddle with it & a third hand! It's a pain...

 

[ladyT]

Uberti in 45LC, a Henry in 22lr and my favorite the Ruger in a tube fed 44 mag semi auto. Simply Fun. Looking for a lever action in 357 at the moment. Also looking for a Marlin in 41mag.

 

[Frank46]

Thanks for posting the pic of the ruger 40 S&W carbine. Never saw one in the flesh just pics. Frank

 

[M3Stuart]

+1 on a lever gun in pistol caliber.

One that, oddly, hasn't been mentioned yet: .22 LR carbines. They make tons of aftermarket kits for the 10/22. 25 round Ruger magazines. It does the trick for me. Now where are my pics...

 

[thebeamanater107]

+1 on a lever gun in pistol caliber.

One that, oddly, hasn't been mentioned yet: .22 LR carbines. They make tons of aftermarket kits for the 10/22. 25 round Ruger magazines. It does the trick for me. Now where are my pics...

Here's my 10/22. Recently acquired, the barrel was all worn, pitted and scratched, with surface rust. So I painted it. It came with one magazine which is two 25 round magazines attached to each other as one. I bought another one like that and put a forward vertical grip on it. Behold, in the name of all things tacticool.

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[PALADIN85020]

I think pistol-caliber carbines are quite useful, and I own several. I think the "ideal" member of the breed is a Model 92 lever action in .357 magnum. The recoil is quite tolerable, and as mentioned earlier here, the .357 from a rifle barrel is quite formidable.

I also own a 92 in .44 magnum. I hate to say it, but the recoil from a .44 mag in a 5.5-lb rifle can only be described as brutal. The last time I shot it was months ago, but I still have a pain in my shoulder that's very persistent.

At the same time, I still like the .44 mag in a rifle as a concept - it gives maximum punch for that round, and is a real stopper. I found the solution not long ago to the recoil problem. Here it is:

That's a Ruger 99/44 Deerfield semiauto carbine. The semiauto action soaks up the recoil so it's tolerable, but it keeps the punch of the big .44 round.

Interestingly, I bought it unfired, new in the box with all the papers and accessories - just as it came from the factory in 2000, the first year of manufacture. I couldn't pass it up, buying it at about half of what I see them going for the internet gun auction sites. The Deerfield carbine is the second style of .44 semiauto that Ruger has made; the first was the Deerstalker carbine introduced as a companion piece to the 10/22 back in the early sixties. It had a tubular magazine under the barrel.

This one uses the Garand action and incorporates a detachable four-shot rotary magazine. It was discontinued in 2006, with about 10,000 made, so it's become a collector item now. I think its only limiting factor was the four-round magazine. If an extended mag had been offered, it would easily double in brass as a fine defense carbine. Now the market for such a magazine is so limited that I think one will never be made.

John

 

[Arik]

the best ones ever made are the rugers ....they are discontinued, but available used for around 700.....still cheaper than the beretta storm

$700

Around here they are in the $300 - $400 range, when they show up

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[timjake]

I have a Hi-Point 995TS w/red dot and have a lot of fun with it. It's in the shop right now getting a new firing pin installed and getting a 3000 rd check-up.

Lots of fun.