The Slippery Slope...

[blues7]

Ouch! I'm sure you'll have a replacement in no time.

Glad to hear about the trigger. (Kinda sorta...)

Keep us posted.

 

[Maddmax]

I don't think I'll be adding a carry handle since the TS was set up with the polymer MBUS. I thought about adding iron sights that were actually metal but I'm not certain that they would perform any better. Feel free to set me straight on whether it's worthwhile and which you would recommend.

Can't say I was ever a big fan of the carry handle. To me, they just didn't feel right and I never used them. I used the butt under my arm, hand on the grip or the sling.

How ever, once Magpul came out with the metal BUIS, I did start switching over to those. I like metal over polymer, they still fold and the front sight doesn't need a tool to adjust the post.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

A Trijicon what?


This is the TA33. It has the most generous eye relief of the small, fixed optics from Trijicon. The 3x power is enough to be real help at 100 yards, but not so much as to be bothersome at 15 yards. It's 7.7oz weight is about half what my 1-4x24 weighs. It's a marvelous optic, but pricey.

I don't like the dual illumination RMRs from Trijicon though. If you're standing in shadow, and the target is lit, the dot doesn't show bright enough. Every other lighting condition is great. Bright light, low light or even no light, they are great.

Don't care for the RMR either. It suffers the same curved glass distortion as does my Burris FF III, along with the light issues you describe.

If I replace the Aimpoint I might take a look at the 1.5x or 2x ACOG models. I just don't find magnification of much value shooting offhand. If anything, it makes me more tentative. That said, as my eyes feel the time go by I'm increasingly thinking that I may just find it more comfortable to have a sharper image down range. I'm not quite there... yet.

Trijicon recently came out with the MRO. LaRue sells it with one of their QD mounts for under $500. That's an attractive price. I was hoping it would be on par with the Aimpoint Micro but have heard some less than glowing remarks.

 

[blues7]

How ever, once Magpul came out with the metal BUIS, I did start switching over to those. I like metal over polymer, they still fold and the front sight doesn't need a tool to adjust the post.

I see that the new version of the MBUS Pro LR contains an elevation adjustment wheel for the rear sight.

Trijicon recently came out with the MRO. LaRue sells it with one of their QD mounts for under $500. That's an attractive price. I was hoping it would be on par with the Aimpoint Micro but have heard some less than glowing remarks.

I happened upon some reviews on amazon last night before hitting the sack and as you say, there were some pretty disappointed customers who weighed in on it.


Getting back to iron sights for a moment...

I'm wondering how much of an upgrade, (beyond the smaller size and metal construction), the Magpul Pro sights would be over the polymer. I know one advantage is that the front sight does not need the tool for adjustment. One downside (potentially) is that the sights are not spring loaded like the polymer MBUS.

Anyone else have experience with them? Or a better alternative?

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Getting back to iron sights for a moment...

I'm wondering how much of an upgrade, (beyond the smaller size and metal construction), the Magpul Pro sights would be over the polymer. I know one advantage is that the front sight does not need the tool for adjustment. One downside (potentially) is that the sights are not spring loaded like the polymer MBUS.

I don't know... but Google "MBUS drop test comparison".
The results might surprise you.

 

[blues7]

I don't know... but Google "MBUS drop test comparison".
The results might surprise you.

I'll go have a look-see.

 

[blues7]

I don't know... but Google "MBUS drop test comparison".
The results might surprise you.

Alrighty then...I just saved $180+ on new iron sights.
(Shame on me, a long and devoted Glock devotee for ever doubting the power of polymer. )

Triggers and optics...triggers and optics...triggers and optics.

See? I may not have jumped (yet) but it don't mean I ain't been listening.

 

[Rastoff]

I don't have the "curved glass" issue that you do Phil. Maybe we just see things differently? Mine seems perfectly un-distorted. Then again, I haven't looked at it for that specific quality. At least, it doesn't stand out to me as distorted.

I will look closer at it this evening.

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[blues7]

BTW, speaking of triggers and optics...just out of curiosity, would installing an aftermarket trigger in an M&P15 void the S&W warranty?

(I realize that someone with more knowledge and dexterity would probably be able to remove the aftermarket and reinstall the OEM trigger...but I'm just curious what the S&W policy is on such modifications to the "as delivered" firearm.)

 

[Maddmax]

I see that the new version of the MBUS Pro LR contains an elevation adjustment wheel for the rear sight.

That "falls" into my tooo many moving parts list for having just a simple BUIS.

Never really cared for the spring loaded pop up sights one way or the other. So not having them on the metal sights isn't a big deal.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

BTW, speaking of triggers and optics...just out of curiosity, would installing an aftermarket trigger in an M&P15 void the S&W warranty?

(I realize that someone with more knowledge and dexterity would probably be able to remove the aftermarket and reinstall the OEM trigger...but I'm just curious what the S&W policy is on such modifications to the "as delivered" firearm.)

I can't imagine an issue where that could be. In any event, if you ever have the need to send your rifle to S&W don't send it with aftermarket parts.

Forget about the warranty. I mean... the notion that you're not going to do with your rifle what you want to do for fear of voiding the warranty is silly. Anything can be replaced from a zillion different vendors for not much money.

 

[Maddmax]

BTW, speaking of triggers and optics...just out of curiosity, would installing an aftermarket trigger in an M&P15 void the S&W warranty?

(I realize that someone with more knowledge and dexterity would probably be able to remove the aftermarket and reinstall the OEM trigger...but I'm just curious what the S&W policy is on such modifications to the "as delivered" firearm.)

DO NOT send ANY S&W firearm back to the factory with-out the original OEM parts installed. It's a liability thing on their end.

It might not void the warrantee (depending on how drastic the add-on parts are), but they WILL BE REMOVED and the weapon restored to its original factory condition. You may or MAY NOT get your parts back. Don't even send the mag. They have plenty of their own.

 

[blues7]

When I sent my TS back for warranty work after putting a grand total of one round down range, the only items on the rifle which weren't on it when it was received were a 2" Troy rail section that came with the rifle and I had affixed to the handguard; and two QD cups: one from Midwest Industries that fit around the castle nut and the other from IWC that was installed on the MOE stock.

None of those items were missing or removed...but yeah, I'd not send in magazines or aftermarket items otherwise, especially nothing of value.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

I don't have the "curved glass" issue that you do Phil. Maybe we just see things differently? Mine seems perfectly un-distorted. Then again, I haven't looked at it for that specific quality. At least, it doesn't stand out to me as distorted.

I will look closer at it this evening.

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They all have it. Some folks don't notice it. Just like my Burris FF III, lots of guys say there is no distortion. But even Burris admits there's something like 1.08x magnification. Some eyes are more sensitive to it or perhaps more conditioned to using a true 1x optic like Aimpoint.

Here's a review of an RMR. See the chart item "Glass". Now the guy is way off thinking it's like 1.5x. https://trex-arms.com/trijicon-rmr-versus-aimpoint-t1-for-pistols/

The distortion is there, particularly noticeable around the permitter similar to fisheye effect.

 

[Maddmax]

None of those items were missing or removed...but yeah, I'd not send in magazines or aftermarket items otherwise, especially nothing of value.

Those would be considered non essential items with the safe function of the weapon or it's operation. So while being a mute point with some employees, others (that like to flex their "power") employees... they'll push the very edge of the line. If they are nice, they'll just remove and return the parts. Not nice, scrap bin ???

One of the reasons I've stayed with S&W (and a few others), is their warrantee. They back it up and do it on their own dime to boot if it's their fault or even sometimes not their fault.

 

[SeniorChief5352]

Gents,

I've narrowed my new upper assembly down to the following:

20" Bravo Company BCM SS410 Upper Receiver Group with ALPHA 15" Handguard.

Or

20" LaRue Tactical 5.56 Stealth Sniper System (LT011) I've dealt with Larue many times in the past. Always had excellent service and quality upon delivery.

Have any of you dealt with Bravo Company in the past? I'm mainly concerned with barrel quality. What say you?

This upper will be paired with an M&P15 lower that's just laying around... The rifle will be used to reach out and touch 'stuff' beyond 450 yards.

 

[blues7]

This upper will be paired with an M&P15 lower that's just laying around... The rifle will be used to reach out and touch 'stuff' beyond 450 yards.

So let me see if I understand how this works...I've got a spare tire valve stem cap laying around in the garage, so...ipso facto...new off-road vehicle!

Damn, the stuff you learn on this forum!

(Oh, and don't forget that bipod that's just sitting around! )

 

[Kadonny]

So let me see if I understand how this works...I've got a spare tire valve stem cap laying around in the garage, so...ipso facto...new off-road vehicle!

Damn, the stuff you learn on this forum!

(Oh, and don't forget that bipod that's just sitting around! )

No it's more like I have this engine laying around with no car to put it in. That's a better analogy. The lower is half the build.

 

[blues7]

No it's more like I have this engine laying around with no car to put it in. That's a better analogy. The lower is half the build.

K, I think you missed my (apparently feeble) attempt at sarcasm. That's okay, you can stand me to a Laphroaig, (your choice), and my feelings won't be hurt.

 

[blues7]

For you guys that have both...can a red dot be seen if you use a weapon light on your rifle to illuminate a threat?

I don't plan on using my TS as my primary inside the home defense firearm. That task is assigned to my Glock 19 with standard or extended mag which would hopefully allow me to reach an 870 with 7 rounds of reduced recoil 00 buckshot.

I have tested several times and with the Surefire weapon light on the shotgun forend, and the Streamlight TLR-1 HL on the AR, I can clearly see both the front bead of the shotgun as well as the MBUS on the M&P15.

If you had occasion to employ your AR with your weapon light either indoors or out, would the dot be washed out by the light or could you pick it up on the target?

(I realize that for close range encounters you may very well be in a quick point and shoot situation and that the weapon light alone acts as a crude aiming device with or without sights but bear with me since I have no way of testing this with an RDS.)

Thanks, gents.