$799 for a 4” 586 Classic?

[bill-in-texas]

It's in a local shop, used but not very much.
Includes the blue plastic case, literature, and red plastic ring.
I've read (here, in an older thread) that the short screw in the rear sight base near the cylinder gap allows gas turbulence to mark the cylinder. You can just make that out in the picture showing the left side. No obvious barrel cant and the stocks look good all the way around.

The owner of the shop will be in tomorrow and I'm contemplating making an out-the-door offer… say $700.

I don't have to have this, as I have other S&W revolvers.
No ILS examples anymore, though.

Thoughts?
-Bill

 

[Beju]

$700 OTD sounds pretty good.

They can be found new for under $850, but then you'd have to add on shipping and transfer fee. However, given S&W QC these days, it's certainly not a bad thing to be able to handle a current S&W revolver before buying.

 

[CH4]

I can vouch for the carbon marks on the cylinder caused by the front screw hole in the top strap. Here's proof on my 3" 66-4.

 

[bill-in-texas]

I can vouch for the carbon marks on the cylinder caused by the front screw hole in the top strap. Here's proof on my 3" 66-4.

Thanks for the clear picture.
I could be mistakenly identifying a mark that I think is there.
I'll have to look more closely tomorrow to see whether it
was "short-screwed" or not.

-Bill

 

[Rpg]

That's a nice enough revolver but isn't worth $700 to me.

 

[ken158]

It's a 586 with the IL - common enough not to warrant a premium price.

 

[bill-in-texas]

$700 OTD sounds pretty good.

They can be found new for under $850, but then you'd have to add on shipping and transfer fee. However, given S&W QC these days, it's certainly not a bad thing to be able to handle a current S&W revolver before buying.

I was able to try out the trigger. Both DA and SA were excellent.
The only ILS revolver I've had was the .460 S&W X-Frame.
(I still have a key but, hope to never need it!)

-Bill

 

[SWFan27]

I just paid $940 plus tax for a new S&W Model 19 Classic. And that was the best deal I could find. $799 is a great price in my opinion.

 

[Beju]

I was able to try out the trigger. Both DA and SA were excellent.
The only ILS revolver I've had was the .460 S&W X-Frame.
(I still have a key but, hope to never need it!)

-Bill

FWIW, I have a 686-6 that had some ugly leftover material by the ILS. I replaced it with a TK Custom plug, thinking that if I was going to take it out to clean that up, I wasn't putting it back in. It also had a slight scratch by the ILS.

However, I got it for $750 shipped, which would've been my small time FFL's cost from a distributor. It's also really, really accurate, probably on par with my CZ Shadow 2 (hard to say for sure since I have irons only on the Shadow 2, and an optic on the 686). I toyed with the notion of getting the barrel crowned or maybe even ported, but it shoots so good that I'm definitely leaving it alone.

I also have a 64-7, and I've left the ILS in place thus far.

 

[SWFan27]

I was able to try out the trigger. Both DA and SA were excellent.
The only ILS revolver I've had was the .460 S&W X-Frame.
(I still have a key but, hope to never need it!)

-Bill

I read somewhere that the Smith & Wesson Performance Center does trigger work on their Classic Series revolvers. My new Model 19 Classic has a fantastic trigger, and I am sure it will get even better with time. Sportsmans Warehouse listed my Model 19 Classic as Performance Center. It is not the PC M19 Carry Comp.

 

[Beju]

I read somewhere that the Smith & Wesson Performance Center does trigger work on their Classic Series revolvers. My new Model 19 Classic has a fantastic trigger, and I am sure it will get even better with time. Sportsmans Warehouse listed my Model 19 Classic as Performance Center. It is not the PC M19 Carry Comp.

Now that you mention it, a friend of a shooting buddy had a new Model 36 Classic when I went to the range with them, and it had a pretty good trigger with very few rounds through it.

 

[The Norseman]

S&W 586

Very nice Model 586 357S&W Mag 4"bbl.
Every "Classic" I've looked at has been
well manufactured and finished.

Read the Owner's Manual on cleaning it.
Don't use anything with ammonia on the
outside blued finish. It is not the traditional
bluing.

I think you're in a good place for price, $700-
$750.

Good luck with your purchase.

 

[Hapworth]

I read somewhere that the Smith & Wesson Performance Center does trigger work on their Classic Series revolvers. My new Model 19 Classic has a fantastic trigger, and I am sure it will get even better with time. Sportsmans Warehouse listed my Model 19 Classic as Performance Center. It is not the PC M19 Carry Comp.

I'd be interested to see the source on this.

It seems unlikely, not only because I don't think the Performance Center does much in the way of real trigger tuning anymore, even on PC guns (Wolff mainsprings do the heavy lifting), but if the PC were tuning the Classic Series triggers, without doubt S&W marketing would reflect this, with the attendant price increase.

 

[SWFan27]

I'd be interested to see the source on this.

It seems unlikely, not only because I don't think the Performance Center does much in the way of real trigger tuning anymore, even on PC guns (Wolff mainsprings do the heavy lifting), but if the PC were tuning the Classic Series triggers, without doubt S&W marketing would reflect this, with the attendant price increase.

I read it somewhere online when I started checking out the S&W Model 19 Classic. I can't recall where I read it. Or maybe it was information about the Model 19 Classic I heard in YouTube video. I watched more than a few. Sportsman's Warehouse is where I just purchased mine. Here is how they list the Model 19 Classic. This is not the PC M19 Carry Comp.

Smith & Wesson Performance Center Model 19 357 Magnum 4.25in Polished Blued Revolver - 6 Rounds

 

[Hapworth]

I read it somewhere online when I started checking out the S&W Model 19 Classic. I can't recall where I read it. Or maybe it was information about the Model 19 Classic I heard in YouTube video. I watched more than a few. Sportsman's Warehouse is where I just purchased mine. Here is how they list the Model 19 Classic. This is not the PC M19 Carry Comp.

Smith & Wesson Performance Center Model 19 357 Magnum 4.25in Polished Blued Revolver - 6 Rounds

Gotcha. An error by Sportsman's Warehouse, presumably.

All the same, even some offerings with proper "Performance Center" designations don't receive trigger tuning -- the 442, 642 and 640 Performance Center Pro Series, for instance.

 

[M29since14]

If the barrel looks good (forcing cone and rifling), and if I didn't already have an older 586 that I am happy with, I'd be tempted for $700, or even a bit more. A friend owns a new production 586 and he is happy with it. His looks like a good revolver to me, but I am not one of those types who is terrorized by MIM parts and the IL. I'd prefer to pass on the IL, but it is not a dealbreaker for me.

 

[bill-in-texas]

Well, I was wrong...
The shop owner doesn't come in 'til tomorrow. So, I'll have to see if he will deal, then.

I did manage to take a couple more pictures, though.

-Bill

Slim Target Stocks Feature Nice Figuring




"Bookends"




Overall Excellent Condition




Shipped Between 2012 and 2024

 

[M29since14]

How long will you look to find another one as nice for less money? If you want it and can afford it, just buy it and be happy.

 

[SWFan27]

Well, I was wrong...
The shop owner doesn't come in 'til tomorrow. So, I'll have to see if he will deal, then.

I did manage to take a couple more pictures, though.

-Bill

Slim Target Stocks Feature Nice Figuring




"Bookends"




Overall Excellent Condition




Shipped Between 2012 and 2024

That is a beautiful revolver. And if the trigger is anything like the trigger on my Model 19 Classic, you will be a happy man. Especially for the price that you are paying for it. In California $799 or less would be considered a steal.

 

[Engine49guy]

Psa recently had a 686 pro on sale, 7 shot plus cut for moon clips for $700 after $100 rebate plus tax shipping transfer as well as a 4" Model 627 eight shot pro series for $650 plus tax ship tx after $150 rebate, both had the desirable interchangeable front site system too.

 

[SWFan27]

Gotcha. An error by Sportsman's Warehouse, presumably.

All the same, even some offerings with proper "Performance Center" designations don't receive trigger tuning -- the 442, 642 and 640 Performance Center Pro Series, for instance.

This video here is one of the sources that I came across before I purchased my new Model 19 Classic, which states that the S&W Performance Center had some involvement with it before it left their doors. And as I said before, Sportsman's Warehouse listed it as a Smith & Wesson Performance Center Model 19 357 Magnum 4.25in Polished Blued Revolver - 6 Rounds

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[jcs266]

How long will you look to find another one as nice for less money? If you want it and can afford it, just buy it and be happy.

Exactly. That's a good to decent price. If you like it and have the money buy it. Who cares about $50 or $100? You pay that for a tank of gas or a steak dinner. You're not gonna miss it a month or two from now to try and quibble over saving a lil money.

If I like something I buy it. I don't agonize over the price too much as long as it's not absurdly high. I use and enjoy things in life.

 

[Yendor357]

Man, that's a good looking gun. I'd buy it, hilary hole and all.

 

[Hapworth]

This video here is one of the sources that I came across before I purchased my new Model 19 Classic, which states that the S&W Performance Center had some involvement with it before it left their doors. And as I said before, Sportsman's Warehouse listed it as a Smith & Wesson Performance Center Model 19 357 Magnum 4.25in Polished Blued Revolver - 6 Rounds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmzDmXkYX-g&t=690s

The Model 19 Classic is not a Performance Center gun. Gunblast is mistaken, though I think in earnest: he references earlier N-frame Classic models that were definitely out of the Performance Center and were stamped and officially marketed as such; they were limited, for Lew Horton, and are long gone.

Not so the Model 19 Classic Series -- or any of the Classic Series line now -- a fine, standard production S&W revolver.

 

[SWFan27]

The Model 19 Classic is not a Performance Center gun. Gunblast is mistaken, though I think in earnest: he references earlier N-frame Classic models that were definitely out of the Performance Center and were stamped and officially marketed as such; they were limited, for Lew Horton, and are long gone.

Not so the Model 19 Classic Series -- or any of the Classic Series line now -- a fine, standard production S&W revolver.

He is saying the PC worked on the trigger for the Model 19 Classic. He is not saying that it is stamped as a Performance Center created and built revolver. Sportsmans Warehouse listed the same SKU MPN 12040 and Performance Center listing as this gentleman did in his video here. I do not think they are pulling their information out of thin air. I believe they get their information directly from Smith & Wesson or their sales reps.

 

[Hapworth]

He is saying the PC worked on the trigger for the Model 19 Classic. He is not saying that it is stamped as a Performance Center created and built revolver. Sportsmans Warehouse listed the same SKU MPN 12040 and Performance Center listing as this gentleman did in his video here. I do not think they are pulling their information out of thin air. I believe they get their information directly from Smith & Wesson or their sales reps.

Gunblast did not just say the trigger is PC tuned, he referred to it as a Performance Center gun, and in line with the same Classics Series that were from a limited Lew Horton order, which it is not, nor are any of the current Classics Series.

Sportsman's Warehouse is the only retailer referring to this model as a PC one -- no other distributor or dealer does, and S&W doesn't either.

S&W isn't going to add the time and expense of putting any of their guns through a Performance Center tune and not make that a significant part of their marketing -- like they do for every other model that gets PC tuning -- and with a price reflecting that, just like VW wouldn't put Porsche engines in Jettas and not mention it.

 

[SWFan27]

Gunblast did not just say the trigger is PC tuned, he referred to it as a Performance Center gun, and in line with the same Classics Series that were from a limited Lew Horton order, which it is not, nor are any of the current Classics Series.

Sportsman's Warehouse is the only retailer referring to this model as a PC one -- no other distributor or dealer does, and S&W doesn't either.

S&W isn't going to add the time and expense of putting any of their guns through a Performance Center tune and not make that a significant part of their marketing -- like they do for every other model that gets PC tuning -- and with a price reflecting that, just like VW wouldn't put Porsche engines in Jettas and not mention it.

Watch the video again. At the 4:23 point in the video he does say that it is a Performance Center tuned trigger. And he also mentions it being Performance Center tuned action a little after that. Perhaps at the time this video was released it may have only been available through the Performance Center. The Model 19 Classic was released in 2018. This video was released sometime after that.

I have seen other places as well online that claim the Classic Series has trigger work done by the Performance Center. Maybe they all pulled their information out of thin air. You are welcome to not believe any of them. None of the Classic Series could be considered inexpensive or Jetta money. Enjoy your new year.

 

[Hapworth]

Watch the video again. At the 4:25 point in the video he does say that it is a Performance Center tuned trigger. And he also mentions it being Performance Center tuned action a little after that. Perhaps at the time this video was released it may have only been available through the Performance Center. The Model 19 Classic was released in 2018. This video was released sometime after that.

I have seen other places as well online that claim the Classic Series has trigger work done by the Performance Center. Maybe they all pulled their information out of thin air. You are welcome to not believe any of them. Enjoy your new year.

I watched it. And then I watched it again. He refers to the 19 as "from the Performance Center" twice before he says anything about the tigger tuning specifically.

Sportsman's Warehouse is the only online seller calling it the "Smith & Wesson Performance Center Model 19 357 Magnum 4.25in"; there are a couple gun tracker sites that call it that -- apparently because Sportsman's Warehouse does.

It's a mistake. They don't know better than the manufacturer what model it is. Every other online seller correctly refers to it by S&W's actual name, as used on the S&W website: The Model 19 Classic.

People considering any of the current Classics Series deserve to know what they're getting and not be mislead into thinking they're getting something else. Until S&W calls it a Performance Center model, or advertises it with a "PC tuned action", it isn't.

I've no doubt your Model 19 Classic is a fine wheel gun. Enjoy it, and a Happy New Year to you as well.

 

[AlHunt]

The question then, really, is "would you buy that gun for $99 plus tax?"

Unless you're a reloader, you'll throw that away on 2 or 3 boxes of ammo.

Also, recall all the horror stories about guns having to go back to the mothership multiple times and ask yourself if a hands on inspection is worth a hundred bucks.

Or, maybe add this one to the "one that got away" list.
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[bill-in-texas]

The "asking" price is actually $899… 'Never happening!
We settled on 7 bills, out the door.

-Bill