Ferguson Mo problems

[Biginge]

It doesn't seem all that complicated to me.

When people start stealing, destroying property and assaulting others, it's a "riot".

When the police start falsely arresting people for recording them, it doesn't matter whether they're wearing body armor or footie pajamas.

I don't care what they wear. I care whether they obey the law.

Cmort,

If they got way down the line and "called you out" to help quell this ,what kind of attire would you show up in?

 

[cmort666]

Cmort,

If they got way down the line and "called you out" to help quell this ,what kind of attire would you show up in?

Footie pajamas and my Austrian Army M43 cap.

 

[CDROBERTS]

They should just leave??? If it was your business being burned, vandalized, and stolen from would you want the police to leave?
The Second Ammendment was written because the founding fathers wanted us to be able to protect ourselves from those who were trying to stop citizens from victimizing other, law abiding citizens?
I guess we all have our interpretations.

If it was MY business, I would be on the roof of it, or in front of it ( like the local gunstore owner and tatoo shop that stood armed in front and did not get touched....and all without the Police....imagine that?) defending it from them. Like the SECOND AMENDMENT intended it to be...........

While you were under a couch dialing 911. Good luck with that.

Is that answer acceptable to you, the one who evidently depends on others for his safety?

 

[CDROBERTS]

I agree with most your post sir. However, the State Patrol/Troopers are fine men I am sure but they should probable stick to just that, Patrolling the highways and byways as they do not generally deal with situations such as this, not to say they cannot but this is a job for CITY/County cops who are TRAINED and do deal with this sort of behavior on a regular and frequent basis. .

Yeah, again Id have to agree. The Chief seems very highly trained to deal with this sort of thing. Maybe they will make him Mayor when it is over.

The Highly trained city and county cops have brought it right under control.

A riot in LOS ANGELES didn't last this long.

Highly trained. Please.

 

[CDROBERTS]

Ironically, the pacifist posters referring to an "out of control" government & "they should just leave" views astound me. Then I don't see any LE or military service with their screen names....now I get it.

Hey for all you "scared of the Gub'mint types" go up to Riotville & call for peace...go ahead, I DARE YOU.

Ok, fair enough.

And the ones condoning rolling in with tanks and shooting everyone all have badges next to their names.

What a coincidence.

How do you think they would be fairing if all the residents were armed?

Hypothetically, they go in shooting, kill a few more, an this spreads to other parts of the Country....
Be fun, huh? ( not)

 

[LostintheOzone]

I note the various posts with criticism about law enforcement showing up in riot gear . . . but . . . but . . . weren't they responding to a riot?

Correct, it's sort of like a fire. When there's a fire, firemen with expensive fire trucks show up to rescue anyone trapped and to minimize the damage. Same with paramedics, they respond to medical emergencies. No reason to confront them or shoot at them. It's their job the same as the police responding to a disorderly crowd looting and fire bombing buildings. All of the police who respond to a riot are just doing the job they are paid to do. They had nothing to do with the shooting that took place. This notion that the police are instigating anything is ridiculous. That was one cop on a force of hundreds. Cops make mistakes. For the most part the police response has been well regulated and reserved.

I have a feeling this shooting could have happened in any major city and the outcome would have been the same. The cities are powder kegs because of what has been described as disadvantaged youth. This is a cultural problem pure and simple. Personally I'm getting tired of all the police bashing because people won't take responsibility for raising their kids. The prisons are full of them, the taxpayers are footing the bill, and the police are getting the blame.

Having worked for a public works org for 30 years I used see this mentality all of the time. I used to get a lot of verbal abuse from citizens when we tried to make improvements to roads. You always have that 10% who think you are the problem and not the solution. You have to deal with them in order to maintain the infrastructure for the other 90%. We even had some arrested for assaulting workers. I was threatened more than once by citizens so I have some sympathy for the job the police do.

My solution to this is to isolate the community and cut off all police/fire/medical services for 90 days. No fire, medic or police allowed in. Let the community elect some leadership (maybe the rev Jesse Jackson could help them with that) and decide if they want those services. If they don't then adjust their property taxes accordingly and let them take care of it themselves. The city public utilities can decide if they want to continue service after the community votes. Problem solved.

 

[A10]

Ok, fair enough.

And the ones condoning rolling in with tanks and shooting everyone all have badges next to their names.

What a coincidence.

How do you think they would be fairing if all the residents were armed?

Hypothetically, they go in shooting, kill a few more, an this spreads to other parts of the Country....
Be fun, huh? ( not)

So, what is your answer?

If you had overwhelming numbers of people smashing, stealing, and burning buildings in your town, who would you want to respond and how would you like them dressed?

I'm serious in my questions here, and I would open them to anyone to answer....

 

[Muss Muggins]

So, what is your answer?

If you had overwhelming numbers of people smashing, stealing, and burning buildings in your town, who would you want to respond and how would you like them dressed?

I'm serious in my questions here, and I would open them to anyone to answer....

That is a fair question . . .

 

[mstuhr]

A news story and link.
I think it justifies the release of the video. If the witness on the recording is truthful, his testimony and the video of the strong arm robbery indicate a pattern of behavior. I don't think it was done to be a character assassination but instead as a corroborating piece of evidence.
I hope when this all settles down everyone gets what they deserve.
I originally thought it was a bad shoot but the more details come out the more I wonder what really happened.
I wouldn't want to see anyone go unpunished for unnecessarily shooting a teenager but I wouldn't want to see an innocent sacrificed to pacify an angry mob.
Thanks and here is the story
Mike


A previously unnoticed detail in a background conversion of a video taken minutes after the Ferguson shooting could change the course of the investigation into Mike Brown’s death.

A Witness Conversation Unknowingly Captured at the Scene of the Ferguson Shooting is a Game-Changer

The original video poster appears sympathetic to the narrative that Mike Brown was shot unarmed with his hands in the air. But he unknowingly picks up conversation between a man who saw the altercation and another neighbor.
An approximate transcription of the background conversation, as related by the “Conservative Treehouse” blog:
@6:28/6:29 of video
#1 How’d he get from there to there?
#2 Because he ran, the police was still in the truck – cause he was like over the truck
{crosstalk}
#2 But him and the police was both in the truck, then he ran – the police got out and ran after him
{crosstalk}
#2 Then the next thing I know he doubled back toward him cus - the police had his gun drawn already on him –
#1. Oh, the police got his gun
#2 The police kept dumpin on him, and I’m thinking the police kept missing – he like – be like – but he kept coming toward him
{crosstalk}
#2 Police fired shots – the next thing I know – the police was missing
#1 The Police?
#2 The Police shot him
#1 Police?
#2 The next thing I know … I’m thinking … the dude started running … (garbled something about “he took it from him”)
This is terribly important because if Mike Brown had been shot, and he advanced towards the cop instead of surrendering, it would substantiate the narrative that the policeman shot in self-defense due to the fact that he was being threatened with severe bodily harm.
This corroborates an account of the event given by a friend of Officer Darren Wilson:
Well, then Michael takes off and gets to be about 35 feet away. And, Darren’s first protocol is to pursue. So, he stands up and yells, “Freeze!” Michael and his friend turn around. And Michael taunts him… And then all the sudden he just started bumrushing him. He just started coming at him full speed. And, so he just started shooting. And, he just kept coming. And, so he really thinks he was on something.”
It’s far too unlikely that these two accounts are similar accidentally, having been from such disparate sources. The seeming witness in the background conversation is speaking with detail about the tragic shooting, and in a manner that runs contrary to the widespread version. Those who watch the video need to judge for themselves if the witness sounds reliable (but he would seemingly have nothing to gain by telling such a story.)
A third piece of the puzzle would be the toxicology report. If there happens to be anything found that might explain how Mike Brown might have been shot and kept advancing toward the officer, then the defense becomes even more believable. Unless someone is emotionally invested in an alternative narrative to the extent that one might ignore plain facts.
We shall see.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

So, what is your answer?

If you had overwhelming numbers of people smashing, stealing, and burning buildings in your town, who would you want to respond and how would you like them dressed?

I'm serious in my questions here, and I would open them to anyone to answer....

At the risk of offending the sensitivities of arsons and looters of my property and city... I would want everyone to respond. Local, county, state, federal agents as well as military, with such a show of force that it would end the mayhem.

The 92 LA riots have been mentioned a couple times. After just a couple days the military started rolling in with over 10k total troops. Pretty much took the fun out it for the criminals.

 

[southcoast]

Do you have the link or source for the friend of Officer Wilson' s statement? Just haven't seen it yet myself and would like to. Thanks.

 

[the ringo kid]

Read todays NY Daily News and NY Post. CNN had something about it, too. Here's the excerpt. Browns friend is Dorien Johnson, and this is a statement from his lawyer.

"Freeman Bosley, a former St. Louis mayor and the lawyer for 22-year-old Johnson, confirmed that the slain teen took the cigars.

“My client did tell us — and told the FBI — that they went into the store,” Bosley said on MSNBC. “He told the FBI that he did take cigarillos. He told that to the DOJ and the St. Louis County Police.”

So when can we expect the thugs who stole to return their items? I won't hold my breath.

I head the same thing in various news and news programs yesterday/last night. One prominant program was the Justice with Judge Jeannine.

 

[Krell1]

I made a previous comment that I got dinged for so I'll try again. I'm guilty of not watching the rules and shouldn't have posted my comments I did and understand what I did wrong.

I believe, one way or the other, the cop involved in the shooting will either face prison time or will not have a job when this is over. Obviously he will not be able to keep working in Ferguson, he'd have a target on his forehead. Anywhere else would recognize the name and not hire him in law enforcement. If he's exonerated, he'll have to move away and find some other line of work.
I can't get my mind wrapped around how people think rioting and looting will solve the problem.

 

[the ringo kid]

Based on what I've seen and read so far:

I'm thinking it's a disparity-of-force shooting. The dead perp attacked the cop in his patrol car, and no doubt struggled over the cop's gun. Perp was shot, and backed-off.

Cop, having been inculcated by a lifetime of media which potrays pistols as portable death-rays, is SHOCKED. He just shot a giant perp, who not only didn't drop, nor die, but is now walking away. He maintains presence of mind, and issues verbal challenges. Now, perp, turned to fact cop. Let's say perp "raised his hands in the 'classic' surrender" posture.....BUT, began moving toward cop. Cop, still shocked perp is ambulatory. Having already had a brush with death, cop wasn't keen on having the big-boy's hands come crashing down on him. This time, possibly succeeding in getting his gun, or worse.

BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And this is also partly why soemone is now protesting against that robbery video being shown. For some reason--somebody doesnt want the truth too come out.

 

[the ringo kid]

It's always interesting how these things unfold.

For the better part of a week it was reported that Brown was an upstanding young man preparing for college. Today there is a vid of Brown, a thuggish brute thieving and terrorizing a business owner.... and now I'm listening to "family representatives" on Fox News preparing everyone to be ready for more than just the "strong-arm" vid. I guess college prep isn't what it used to be.

The rap sheet info I posted here somewhere yesterday--shows that according to his age--he was under 18. Imbelieving that info more and more--since it took place either in Fed or Nov 2013.

 

[cmort666]

BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And this is also partly why soemone is now protesting against that robbery video being shown. For some reason--somebody doesnt want the truth too come out.

• When the facts support your case, pound the facts.
• When the law supports your case, pound the law.
• When neither supports your case, pound the table.

The Brown team are pounding the table into splinters.

I've NEVER seen somebody try to suppress a video who wasn't guilty of SOMETHING.

 

[the ringo kid]

God forbid the cops reputation have the slightest smudge in his past the Brown family reps. will be shouting it from the rooftops and all the press following them.

One sad thing is--is that Policeman didnt have a "smidgeon of corruption" on his record.

 

[the ringo kid]

I'm so confused at the different tales going on, but I've family in St. Louis and the city is most dear to me. I hope everything sort itself out in time.

Reasons like these are why it's good to have defensive options. I just recently bought an SKS semi-automatic carbine to use for defense and it would be a good thing to have during these times of civil unrest if you lived in any of these cities.

I sincerely hope all this comes out and gets finished soon. Not making light of this situation, I hope everything is said and done with complete satisfaction and justice. . I want to visit St. Louis--I hear they THINK their BBQ is better than it is here in Texas.

 

[LostintheOzone]

Ok, fair enough.

And the ones condoning rolling in with tanks and shooting everyone all have badges next to their names.

What a coincidence.

How do you think they would be fairing if all the residents were armed?

Hypothetically, they go in shooting, kill a few more, an this spreads to other parts of the Country....
Be fun, huh? ( not)

Well, I'm not a cop. Never was a cop. Actually I was detained for several hours once for suspicion of armed robbery and released after I substantiated my where abouts during the time of the robbery. Almost got shot in the process. After the whole thing was over I was left on the side of the road 3 miles from the nearest phone with no car keys. I had to walk to a phone to call the police to have them bring me my car keys. The same LEO that detained me brought my car keys and never even apologized for his mistake. I'm pretty sure he did it intentionally because he thought I was a ne'er-do-well. I guess I should hate all cops now but because all of my encounters since then have been professional I just see them as public servants with a job to do.

If they treat you badly you can sue the carp out of the dept. I have a right to keep and bear an attorney. That will be better than armed resistance, I can assure you.

 

[kbm6893]

KSDK TV showed the house and address where the cop lived. HOW CAN THEY SO STUPID OR BLIND!!!!!!!!!!!

They have since apologized but the damage has been done.

Cop will sue and get enough to move his family out of an ungrateful area PLUS he'll get a partial pension. God bless him. Their apology is an admission of wrong-doing.