LEO Marked S&W Semi-Autos

[toddimusnimski]

Model Number and Serial Number should be on left side just above trigger. In your case Model should be 4006TSW and the CHP4406 is the Serial Number. Slide, Barrel, and Frame should be match marked E4406 on right side of pistol

Sure is! I do need to take it out more, but that goes for a few others too.
Edit: FYI lanyard loop was added and straight grip switched to curved

Todd

 

[apachedawg]

Posted these in another thread but here are two of mine a California Park Police marked M&P 40 and an Atlanta Police marked 5903. Got the M&P from an online distributor a few weeks back and the 5903 from a gun show in Tennessee years ago.

 

[damienph]

I have these two;
4003TSW marked Atlanta Police and a 469 with large numbers stamped on the frame which I was told was a PD gun but no idea of agency. I don't know if it really is or not but I don't know of any other reason to mark the frame like that.

 

[GaryS]

Could be a property number for gun involved with a criminal case.

 

[gunbarrel]

personally carried by grady judd?

Nope; not Grady's. One of his deputies.

 

[Taj]

What a neat story! Thanks for sharing.

You bet Brother! Those were some great times for me.

 

[eku82]

Not mine, but still a S&W M&P semi-auto never the less.

 

[Taj]

Posted these in another thread but here are two of mine a California Park Police marked M&P 40 and an Atlanta Police marked 5903. Got the M&P from an online distributor a few weeks back and the 5903 from a gun show in Tennessee years ago.
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The kalyfornya State Parks always "rode" the CHP contract, so what ever the CHP carried is what they carried. The rumor was those State Parks pistols were always in great shape because they never shot them.

 

[GaryS]

My understanding from other threads here is that every state agency had to buy what CHP specified.

The kalyfornya State Parks always "rode" the CHP contract, so what ever the CHP carried is what they carried. The rumor was those State Parks pistols were always in great shape because they never shot them.

 

[Taj]

My understanding from other threads here is that every state agency had to buy what CHP specified.

I'm not sure that is a fact, at least during my tenure there. I saw CA Dept of insurance fraud, the lottery Police and ABC carrying Glocks in 9mm when I was there. The plain cloths folks didn't like the weight of the 4006. Things could have changed.

 

[TNZ71]

A 1993ish 5946 Memphis PD

 

[ACEd]

The kalyfornya State Parks always "rode" the CHP contract, so what ever the CHP carried is what they carried. The rumor was those State Parks pistols were always in great shape because they never shot them.

Ca State Parks circa 1996/7 used 4006 SW Product Code 103935 with right side markings PRxxxx and possibly PHxxxx with Adjustable sights. Observed s/n prefixes VYC, VYJ, VYL, VZD.

 

[Taj]

Ca State Parks circa 1996/7 used 4006 SW Product Code 103935 with right side markings PRxxxx and possibly PHxxxx with Adjustable sights. Observed s/n prefixes VYC, VYJ, VYL, VZD.

I tried very hard to get them into a fixed sighted pistol when I was there, but they insisted on that "giant" winged adjustable sight. It was bullet proof but probably doubled the weight of the gun. They finally got away from it after their head armorer (and I) retired.

 

[URIT]

I bought a 3953 model from a forum member that looks like Taroman's pistol. Mine is numbered N.P.D. 188.

 

[ACEd]

I tried very hard to get them into a fixed sighted pistol when I was there, but they insisted on that "giant" winged adjustable sight. It was bullet proof but probably doubled the weight of the gun. They finally got away from it after their head armorer (and I) retired.

Kind of off topic here, I was just identifying the Ca State Parks 4006 configuration (similar sight choice to early CHP 4006 variants = Prod Code 103934 with "Axxxx" right side match marking and later "Bxxxx" match marking - but the CHP 4006TSW "Dxxxx" and "Exxxx" did switch to Novaks).
Somehow the Adjustable Sight question always seems to bring out violently differing opinions - they are "ugly" vs they are "useful" but I've never heard they "double the weight of the gun" - cant imagine its more than an ounce difference. Personally I would prefer the Night sights but the Adjustable would be my second choice with the main advantage to the Novak being their size / shape as it relates to holster use and their visually appealing geometry.

 

[GaryS]

I'm not interested and I'm not advertising for them, but J&G Sales has LE Surplus 5906s for sale. I don't know if they are agency marked.

No link because of the rules, but should be easy to search out.

 

[Taj]

Kind of off topic here, I was just identifying the Ca State Parks 4006 configuration (similar sight choice to early CHP 4006 variants = Prod Code 103934 with "Axxxx" right side match marking and later "Bxxxx" match marking - but the CHP 4006TSW "Dxxxx" and "Exxxx" did switch to Novaks).
Somehow the Adjustable Sight question always seems to bring out violently differing opinions - they are "ugly" vs they are "useful" but I've never heard they "double the weight of the gun" - cant imagine its more than an ounce difference. Personally I would prefer the Night sights but the Adjustable would be my second choice with the main advantage to the Novak being their size / shape as it relates to holster use and their visually appealing geometry.

Brother, just kidding on that. The gun was heavy enough with or without. The reason the range staff wanted the adjustable sights is that they were easier to deal with when it came to zeroing the individual pistols. With fixed sights it would have required an armorer to make adjustments and possible even change out fronts to get a zero. It was more of w perceived problem than a reality as they found out after the switch to fixed Novaks.

 

[mscampbell2734]

I'm not interested and I'm not advertising for them, but J&G Sales has LE Surplus 5906s for sale. I don't know if they are agency marked.

No link because of the rules, but should be easy to search out.

They also have French marked Model 64s

 

[GaryS]

Ouuu La La!

They also have French marked Model 64s

 

[Smith391]

I bought a 3953 model from a forum member that looks like Taroman's pistol. Mine is numbered N.P.D. 188.

That's a Newark (NJ) P.D. gun ... For a time, plainclothes carried the S&W 3953, while uniformed officers were issued the Model 6946...

 

[joseywales44]

Great guns, HEAVY, YES. I bought one off GB some years ago and it must have been issued to someone in an Admin. position...the grips weren't even bugger up. I added a set of adjustable sights and I can detect no weight difference. I carried a 4006 on duty back in the 90s and loved it. It was the most accurate semi-auto I've ever had. The gun I bought from GB had 5-15 rd mags with it so I think I did very well all around. Mine has a fantastic trigger on it. Smooth, crisp and light on SA and DA isn't bad either.

 

[Hugo Stiglitz]

4506 Fresno Co Sheriff.

 

[Taj]

The test with an obstructed bore is a real test for any firearm. Semi-auto pistol barrels may successfully contain the pressure, but will typically bulge and tie up the slide. Given the Glock's relatively small amount of steel in the slide's recoil impact area, I'm not surprised that there was a slide failure.

We used to have an LE rep named John who used to shoot a plugged bore on a regular basis as part of his demo. John was braver them me, but had one pistol he must have done that to on a dozen occasions. He finally replaced the barrel just as a precaution. S&W through heat treats their barrels. They are tough.

 

[Taj]

The test with an obstructed bore is a real test for any firearm. Semi-auto pistol barrels may successfully contain the pressure, but will typically bulge and tie up the slide. Given the Glock's relatively small amount of steel in the slide's recoil impact area, I'm not surprised that there was a slide failure.

The problem with their pistols was more than just the slide. They did not do any additional heat treat other than the Tenifer, which was designed a s wear surface and is more like case hardening treatment. The CHP had a video of the plugged bore testing on all the pistols and the G gun actually pulled off the rear slide rails when the barrel let go. They jokingly called it the alligator gun, because in slow mo, it looked like a gator mouth opening and closing.

 

[HOUSTON RICK]

I liked to pick up LEO trade ins when they were metal. I got some very good deals. My favorite s: Fresno, CA 4506,; CHP 4006, and Atlanta PD 5903.

 

[demkofour]

Here's a 3953TSW originally designed by S&W and designated as an approved BUG/off duty pistol by NYPD.

 

[akguy1985]

I have a 3953 TSW that allegedly came from the NYPD. It came with this paper.

 

[akguy1985]

I saw a Cleveland PD 5946 at an Ohio show but couldn't find a PA dealer to take it then transfer to me back in PA. Too bad. It was marked CLVD.

I have a Cleveland PD marked 5903 in the safe.

 

[EEResQ]

Re: "LEO Marked S&W Semi-Autos"...
Top: Kentucky State Police / S&W 4566-TSW (unissued)
Bottom: Kentucky State Police / S&W 1076-NS (retired)


Below: California Highway Patrol (CHP prefix) / S&W 4006-TSW (retired)


Below: Kentucky State Police / Walther PPK/S (licensed by S&W - retired BUG). According to a KSP armorer, only ~1250 of these were ordered in 1986 as back-up guns for issue to State Troopers.


Below: Kentucky State Police / S&W M&P-15T Tactical, retired patrol rifle.
Top: Kentucky State Police / S&W 4566-TSW (unissued)
Bottom: Kentucky State Police / S&W 1076-NS (retired)
Bot/Left: Kentucky State Police / Walther PPK/S (licensed S&W - retired BUG).

 

[Taj]

I have never heard of an obstructed bore test. But I do know that a couple 4006s from the LAFP Fire Marshalls failed an obstructed bore from a 9mm casing sitting in the barrel. Before LA had any .40 cal. Fire Marshalls fired qualification on our ranges. Unfortunately, twice I remember them accidently loading a 9mm in the mix somehow. The 9 would fire, the bullet rattle down the barrel, but the casing would not extract and would be pushed up into the barrel by the next round. When that round fired the casing would protrude from the muzzle, then split and flower out. The barrel would be bulged and you couldn't open the slide totally. We had the same thing happen with several S/W .45 pistols after we approved .40 cal weapons. Every one I ever encountered, the casing would be stuck at the muzzle, split up and flowered out just as neat as you please.

The fix is to carefully cut the sections of the barrel you can get to with a foredom tool/Dremel and a small cutting wheel until you can get the slide off. Once that is done, we replaced the barrels and the guns were fine.


Modern LAPD did not mark their issue handguns. With just a couple modern types like SWATS 1911, SIS's guns and maybe some of the other private purchase guns since I left. Then marked by the serial number from the company LAPD... or SWAT....Any weapon with non-factory markings had to be approved by Command Staff. Like the model 68s or SIS's guns. I am sure some private purchase guns were marked after being registered by the armory, but if discovered would be removed from your weapon card.

Before I retired, I secured a copy of my weapons card to verify what was carried and also receipts from the city for the issued guns, that I was allowed to purchase upon retirement. In case, I ever sold them, maybe that would add to their value. (sadly, no children, one niece).

Also, the only 3rd gen S/Ws ever issued by the dept would be SIS's 645s/4506/66/16s. and
There was 1, 3913 issued to a female LT. who complained that her 92fs weight was causing a bad back and threatened a lawsuit. She was well connected (probably because of her private purchase endowments) which I am sure didn't help her back. But we were ordered to issue her one as a primary duty weapon, even though it did not have a 4" barrel.

Then there was a dubious experiment (due to some Command Staff request/order) where we issued 12-15 3906s to females in a recruit class, due to a few shooting failures in the academy. Where it was proposed that the Beretta 92's large gripframe or reach to the trigger was the issue.

These were issued with quad pouches, so the amount of ammunition carried was about the same. We did an audit several years later and about 8-9 of them had been turned in upon person leaving the department and only one of the others was still being carried/qualified with. The others had transitioned to private purchase guns, probably a glock since they were then approved.
The turned in guns were later sold to a LE dealer in SoCal, something that usually never happens. Of course, by the time I found out about it, they were all sold. They were not marked in any way, but you could have proved they were shipped to LAPD from S/W.

A month or so after I moved to TX., I went to a local hardware store/gunshop and picked up this little beauty for about 350 out the door. I put a hammer, and a trigger play spring in it. I only have 2 .40s, a Vertec and this one, that is a heck of a gun.

BB, May have been where the obstruction was located but it was part of their testing protocol. We had a rep (John Podergoist) that used to regularly drive a .40 cal bullet into a barrel then shoot a live one behind it. I watched him do this 4 times with a Sigma until he finally disabled the pistol on the five go-a-round. I never stood very close to him when he did this. Every other pistol the CHP did this to during testing, failed catastrophically. I have seen major bulges from a live 9mm round that found it's way into the barrel. Of course they would detonate when that .40 impacted them in the barrel.