open carry in your area?

The purported debunking, didn't really debunk .

Lott compared Firearms related crimes , which conceivably have a relationship with having a carry permit .

The debunkers cited all felonies and misdemeanors , most of which had no connection to guns or violence , or even if they were armed at the time.

Having a carry permit or not has nothing to do with DWI , income taxes , child support , insider trading , whatever .
 
Biggfoot44 said:
The purported debunking, didn't really debunk .

Lott compared Firearms related crimes , which conceivably have a relationship with having a carry permit .

The debunkers cited all felonies and misdemeanors , most of which had no connection to guns or violence , or even if they were armed at the time.

Having a carry permit or not has nothing to do with DWI , income taxes , child support , insider trading , whatever .
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rosewood said:
Statistically, an LEO is more likely to commit a crime than someone with a CCW. I wonder if they are more likely to have a ND? Haven't seen those stats.
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Peace out
 
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Legal here but I can't remember the last time I saw somebody doing it . Concealed only for me .
 
Gamecock said:
Open carry is a deterrent.
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Open carry doesn't seem to deter all those folks who attack cops every day. It certainly didn't deter the guy who tried to take my gun or the guy who came after me with an ax or the guys who tried to rob me.

It's been my experience that open carry only deters people who weren't committed in the first place
 
Smoke said:
Open carry doesn't seem to deter all those folks who attack cops every day. It certainly didn't deter the guy who tried to take my gun or the guy who came after me with an ax or the guys who tried to rob me.

It's been my experience that open carry only deters people who weren't committed in the first place
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Consider moving.
 
Smoke said:
Open carry doesn't seem to deter all those folks who attack cops every day. It certainly didn't deter the guy who tried to take my gun or the guy who came after me with an ax or the guys who tried to rob me.

It's been my experience that open carry only deters people who weren't committed in the first place
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Gamecock said:
Consider moving.
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Funny, my first thoughts when I read that exactly............
 
One of the problems with these studies is Cornfield, Missouri, Moo Cow, Montana and Longhorn, Texas, relate to Bumper, Michigan and Lolly Pop, California how? In fact how does Cali, New Jersey and NYC even get a chance to effect the statistics they have virtually no legal carriers. Comparing Leos to the general populous in any manner is another ridiculous pursuit. Way different scrutiny, job related issues etc.
Plus, it has nothing to do with how often you see open carry in an area. I do find it interesting that guys here in Montana are reporting seeing more open carry in the bigger cities than here in small town, but then they see way more people regularly than I do here, so, like a lot of these studies any conclusion may well be flawed.
 
Here in Florida open carry, even without a license, is permitted when on your own property, place of business, camping, fishing, at the range, or on your way to or from those activities.

I, myself, carry OWB concealed under a tee shirt or untucked button down when a tee shirt isn’t appropriate dress which isn’t very often, or IWB or pocket carry when I need extra deep concealment.

I’ve got no problem with open carry and wish unrestricted open carry would be enacted here in Florida, but I never do tuck in my shirts anyway.
 
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Bro. Dave said:
I believe Constitutional Carry in Texas WILL allow for open carry, as well as concealed.
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The bill language is pretty clear; permits are required for open carry. Texas Law Shield concurs and has issued communications specifically about this.

Agreed it seems odd. Too, this pertains to handguns, not to "long guns." It has been legal to carry a rifle or a shotgun openly in Texas for about as long as anyone knows.
 
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OC has been legal here in NC as long as most can remember.

And - thanks to the 'diversity' of the population across the state, open carrying in public can elicit anything from a yawn to a frantic 911 call - ALL depending on the portion of the state.

In my area, OC is most often seen on a visit to Walmart. Count on the firearm to be a poly pistol, usually in an Uncle Mike's Chineez holster.

I never OC in public. Only in the woods or on my property where I have a range.

After years of LE plainclothes OC with a badge on the belt, it regularly seemed to make me a 'nut magnet' and get engaged in conversations I'd just as soon not have with folks I'd just as soon not deal with.

Since I'm no longer compensated for that - nope, not happening.
If that makes me sound curmudgeonly, apologies.
 
My thoughts are that open carry laws came about to protect the CC owner against the "Karens" who would make a scene if someone accidently exposed their CC, thereby subjecting them to a brandishing charge. Like stated above, I've actually seen very few actual open carries here in Texas.
 
Gamecock said:
Consider moving.
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I find it interesting that you're not addressing the fact that I rebutted your assertion that open carry is a deterrent.

I mean, it is a deterrent right up until the time it isn't .

I'm not a cop I was a security guard and the reason I make that distinction is because I I'm not required to go out looking for bad guys. If I run into one it's like everybody else I was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I am absolutely positive that there were three times that somebody was setting me up for a gun grab. All three times it was an impulsive act on the part of the other person and all three times it was a random encounter. Like I said, I was in the wrong place at the wrong time. You may really walk past the wrong person in Walmart and have them just reach out and try to take your gun and you had better be prepared for that.

As I said before, the guy who is willing to go after a cop or willing to go after me isn't going to think twice about going after the average open carrier.
 
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Being 70 years old I have a problem with people panicking because I open carry. I've lived in a lot of states but OC was always legal and people did it because CC wasn't legal. But then again most people never thought twice about OC or CC.
 
Texas's new law and open carry might be like a lot of laws. Open to interpretation. Problem is until the state attorney General of the state High court makes a ruling YOU might have to pay for an attorney to determine the interpretation. I would want something other than I can't find anything or my belief of what it means.

To me THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS, SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED covers Texas, California, NYC, open and concealed carry of a machine gun. I just can't afford enough lawyers to prove it.:D
 
A few years back, when a partner and I were teaching our state's CC course, the topic of OC would often come up for questions and discussion among the students/attendees. Given enough time, I encouraged the discussions, as it's ground many had not covered before.

I always posed one question that I believed may have settled many minds about OC in public......

- "How many here have, or plan to spend time with a trained Defensive Tactics Instructor to learn weapon retention?"
This means dedicated time on the mats, with a blue gun, getting battered and bruised and perhaps embarrassed to a degree in order to learn how to not lose your weapon to an attacker.

Coming from a well-trained LE agency, I've had that training. It's not fun.
Not many people seemed nearly as interested in OC upon close examination of all the possibilities.
Guess it was 'food for thought' and ultimately the decision is theirs, which I'm thankful for.
 
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Here in SC, OC has only been legal (with a CCP) for two weeks, certainly too recent for me to note anyone with OC. Me, I carry concealed as well as possible, esp in our hot and humid summers, since about all I can tolerate is a thin T shirt untucked. In what passes for our winter, and in church, I do wear a vest or a sport jacket. For most of the year, I am in lightweight shorts which don't have loops that work with a proper gun belt, and any wt on their flimsy belt tends to pull my shorts down. Mostly I was glad for our OC law so if I inadvertently "show" a handgun I won't loose my CCP if someone calls the police on me.

I have no reason to venture where the odds of an assault are more likely, of course, realizing that an assault can happen anywhere.

I wonder if some folks who OC out of some need to feel "military" or the like do so because they never had or chose to "carrY in a military service. Me, I wore a .45 in an issue holster in two wars and often in-between, so I just don't feel any subconscious desire to have a firearm on my hip.

I don't have an opinion of whether OC makes an assault more or less likely to happen. While my wife is fine with my CC, she has no interest in firearms, and would likely prefer I not OC.

Now for more coffee and some toast and fried eggs, and I am off to a state range to continue to zero my newest AR and my just bought Winchester 70.

Like I said, I carry when I can because I want to, not because I need to feel like a cowboy. Been there, done that.

NAM VET
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