cshoff
Member
That is good news! Now you'll just have to make sure you can find a good supply of ammo.
SW40VE
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That is good news! Now you'll just have to make sure you can find a good supply of ammo.
The only problem I see with a SW40VE is that it has no external safety. What do you do about that?
Gad
Member
There is one. Don't put your finger on the trigger and it won't shoot.
Many guns are now coming without safety.
Many guns are now coming without safety.
.455_Hunter
Member
I looked at one of these along with the equivalent M&P at the local gun shop today. The price difference was $190, with the M&P having the thumb safety. I dry fired each and I did not think the SW40VE was too bad.
One key question- What mounts in the groove under the barrel? It obviously is not compatible with the standardized handgun rails common on other weapons. I thought maybe S&W offered a proprietary light for it, but no accessories are listed on the web site. Any thoughts?
One key question- What mounts in the groove under the barrel? It obviously is not compatible with the standardized handgun rails common on other weapons. I thought maybe S&W offered a proprietary light for it, but no accessories are listed on the web site. Any thoughts?
On the topic of stances while firing, I have an amusing story to pass: I joined the Navy in 1984, late in life (26 years old), after having been a cop in GA for a state agency - not the GA State Patrol. During boot camp, we were taken to the base armory and taught more than we ever wanted to know about the model 1911A 45 cal pistol. We were then allowed to shoot for familiarization a cut-down model that fired .22 rounds, followed by an opportunity to shoot for a marksman medal. I suffered through the range instructor's positioning of all us in what is described here as the Isosceles stance - feet spread shoulder width, head up, arms extended with the elbows slightly bent. Having been taught the Weaver stance at the police academy (and winning the shooting trophy), I was uncomfortable with the stance and my target reflected my awkwardness. When it came time to shoot for the medal, when the range officer gave the order to fire, I dropped into the Weaver and placed all my rounds into about 4 inches, dead center of the target. The range officer, a Second Class Petty Officer, stormed over to me and shouted, "Whassamatter with you boy, you got hemmorhoids?!?" I told him if I was going to shoot for score, I wanted to be as accurate as possible. He asked "where the hell did you learn that", and backed off when (a) I told him the GA Police Academy, and (2) when he saw my grouping. I got the marksman medal, and a degree of respect not usually shown to recruits by company commanders.
scottaschultz
Member
If this is a problem for you, don't buy one!
Scott
GaDawg
Member
I just got my gun back from s&w. The back end where the slide meets the back of the base of the gun doesn't look right. There are gaps btwen the pieces that looks like it is missing something. Can somebody post a pic of the gun looking from the rear towards the front?
cshoff
Member
That's what you have a finger for. If you don't know or don't practice safe gun handling techniques, you shouldn't be handling a gun of any kind.
You guys missed my point completely. I'm stating a point. With most guns, you can have one in the chamber and make sure the safety is on. Safety off and you're ready to fire. With the SW40ve, one in the chamber means you're ready to shoot. It takes more to pull the slide back than to push the safety off and it's more obvious. I know how to handle and shoot a gun safely and I own a SW40VE.
jadek
Member
Mr. 455 hunter sir.. You can get an adapter from most of the catalogs. Laserlyte sells em. I got mine from Midsouth for about $8...Then you are good to go.Neat idea... Don't know why Smith didn't make it like all the other acc. rails out there. Good shootin Stash
Sorry to hear you have had so much trouble. I purchased my 40 a little after T-day last year. I did not do any research on pistols, just went to Academy and bought a S&W on its reputation.
When I took it to the range, I was all over the place with the gritty 12 pound trigger pull (measured with a digital fish scale). After doing some research, I called Mr. Smith at LSG and he had me send it to him and he put a new trigger assembly in and sent it back, Turn around time was only 9 days.
WHAT A DIIFERENCE!! The trigger pull is now 8.5 pounds and much much smoother. I think he may have polished some of the internal wear areas of the new trigger assembly. I have put a little over 100 round through it, and am getting used to the heavy, but smooth pull. My groups are getting steadily closer. I HAVE to shot with my trigger finger on the tip, NOT the pad (Large Hands, long fingers) At 15 yards, I am now getting 90% in the black.
As far as the gap you mentioned, mine has that too. If Mr. Smith fixed your weapon at LSG, he most likely test shot 20-25 rounds through it, after he did his work.
I would dry fire the heck out of it in stance, to get used to that 8 pound pull, then go to the range and put a couple of boxes through it.
After I bought my 40, I purchased a Bersa Thunder 380 from Academy and a Heritage .22 LR revolver. I can shot the center out of the targets with both those pistols at 15 yards. I qualified expert with the old 1911 .45 msny years ago, so was not a bad shot to start out. The heavier trigger pull of the Sigma requires some major getting used to and practice.
I bought the S&W for concealed carry and personal protection. I want a gun that will never jam, and will feed and shoot as soon as I can bring it into battery. I believe this weapon will work out for me, for the purpose I purchased it for.
I do not recommend changing springs or removing springs. I really believe LSG will make it right for you. Mr. Smith told me that they designed the pistol as a service pistol to replace the old DA revolvers, with a similar trigger pull to those. There are no extra safeties on this weapon to impede it in its mission, except for the safety of an 8 pound trigger.
Good luck, go shoot it, break it in and see if it will work for you.
Mike Boyd
San Antonio, Texas
cshoff
Member
What you are pointing out as a potential problem is one of the reasons people like the Sigma and similar designs such as the Glock, so well. It is truly a point-and-shoot gun. No safety levers to "turn off", no having to fumble around with racking the slide; it is perfectly safe and ready to go with one in the chamber.
Same principle behind a typical double-action revolver. Point-and-shoot simplicity, and ready to use when you are.
The only thing you have to remember is to keep your booger hook off of the bang switch until you are ready to fire it.
Pasifikawv
Member
I have no problem with the SW40VE (or a Glock or similiarly designed safe action/double action semi-auto pistols without an external safety. Unlike many semi-autos with a chambered round, the SW40VE does not have the firing pin under tension. This greatly reduces the potential for accidential and negligent discharges. As cshoff points out, this SA/DA feature makes the SW40VE and similar pistols much like a revolver.
That said, I do want to have an appropriate holster for such pistols. Even though the SW40VE does have a heavier trigger as a result of the DA feature, I like to have the bang switch covered when carrying in a concealed holster or a (of course) duty holster. "Plaxico" style just doesn't work for me. Nor does an improperly fitted or poorly designed holster. I use simple Uncle Mikes IWB's for my .380 and .25 - both with external safeties and external hammers. I wanted a significant improvement in holster design and function for my SW40VE.
I recently purchased a Kholster for my SW40VE and absolutely love it. The mix of leather and Kydex offers great comfort and security. The leather makes it a comfort to wear close to the body and the Kydex covers the trigger and is molded specifically to the SW40VE which helps keep the sidearm secure.
As a tuckable IWB, the concealment is fantastic and I can wear it with my work-shirts (sometimes polos, sometimes full front button w/ collar) and either jeans or khakis. On off days, it works just a well with a sweatshirt, flannels, or just a T-shirt - tucked or untucked.
Since getting my Kholster, I haven't carried my .380 or .25 as I can conceal with comfort just as easily my SW40VE. All the comfort and concealment with better bang and more rounds at the ready. A win-win in my book.
I give great kudos to Kholster for its product, but as with any/all holsters, I firmly believe that one should practice, practice, practice in drawing from their holster so that it becomes second nature.
scottaschultz
Member
You owe me for a new keyboard since I shot a snootfull of coffee all over mine when I read that!!
Pasifikawv
Member
Yeah, I got a chuckle out of that one, too.
Thanks for the info on the holster Pasifikawv.
BTW, I got a chuckle out of that too.
cshoff
Member
I would never use a holster that did not cover the trigger, regardless of the gun being used.
The Sigma is a 100% safe gun. You can drop it, run it over with a truck, throw it at a wall, or whatever else you'd like and there is no way it can fire unless the trigger is pulled deliberately all the way to the rear.
Anyway, I am glad to hear you bought the Kholster. I have had mine for close to 3 months now and I literally can't imagine ever using a different IWB holster. The Kholster works GREAT!
Pasifikawv
Member
Originally posted by cshoff:
I would never use a holster that did not cover the trigger, regardless of the gun being used.
The Sigma is a 100% safe gun. You can drop it, run it over with a truck, throw it at a wall, or whatever else you'd like and there is no way it can fire unless the trigger is pulled deliberately all the way to the rear.
Anyway, I am glad to hear you bought the Kholster. I have had mine for close to 3 months now and I literally can't imagine ever using a different IWB holster. The Kholster works GREAT!
Once again, I find myself in total agreement with cshoff...
My point about the holster was more regarding carrying without any holster at all. Many like to go "Mexican" or "Plaxico" style. That's just not my bag...for numerous reasons.
I can't say enough good things about the Kholster. It certainly suits me to a T.
Oh yeah: I am going to completely steal cshoff's "booger hook/bang switch" line. Instant classic!
New guy here but youve probably seen me on the other forums.
Bought a Sigma .40VE the other day and Im totally into it. I am a KelTec fan but really like the Sigma.
Ill start to carry it next week when my Side Guard "The Slide" gets here.
Thanks for having me.
Bought a Sigma .40VE the other day and Im totally into it. I am a KelTec fan but really like the Sigma.
Ill start to carry it next week when my Side Guard "The Slide" gets here.
Thanks for having me.
