Today in Texas - open carry on the horizon

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I'm not an advocate but it's coming - weirdly, it's coming for people who are licensed to carry concealed. Who came up with THAT? What about the rest of the folks? Must be some kind of compromise.

Anyway, I won't do it, but to each his own. Here's the best line of the day - from the news:

Woman from Mothers for Sensible Gun Laws or somesuch crackpot group:

"We have no direct evidence that carrying a gun openly in any way reduces the level of crime."

Literal response from a criminal the news interviewed:

"Hey! I'm a criminal - no hard evidence? What are you, STUPID?!"

It was hilarious to hear. Foolish lady from the sheeple side of the fence being responded to by a person from the wolfish side of the fence.
 
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Hey if they want to afford me the ability to carry in the open I am okay with that. I like that I am one of only 829000 CHL holders and instructors in the state of Texas that can legally do so. The others need to hurry up and get licensed or wait a couple more years before we get around to giving everyone the right to carry. For now I am good with what I can get. Now I don't have to worry if my gun peaks out on occasion while I conceal carry. Baby steps......
 
I sure hope I get to Karma a brand spankin new BBQ rig
to some lucky Texan here on the forum right soon....

Not that they would have to sport it around in public or nothing,
but they'd have an unencumbered choice in the matter. ;):D

As for the Texas legislators....I say, "Free MY People!"

We'll all jest have to wait and see what comes from all of this....


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Freedom in large doses is too much to bear for some people.

Ain't that the truth!

I couldn't believe all the whining and crying from gun owners at my Club when Guns in Bars was passed here. It was like they thought that everyone with a carry oermit were going out to get drunk and in get in bar room shootouts :rolleyes:. Its been years since and we're doing just fine.

Gun freedoms, particularly carry, have been sweeping across the country for the past 30 years. Gun owners have done just fine despite all the prophets of doom and endless handwringing. Still, each time a new gun freedom comes up the whining and crying starts.
 
The right of the people to keep and bear arms was whittled away a little bit at a time over the course of 100-plus years, coming very close to cutting it off at the base of the tree more than once. I am happy to see rights restored, even if only in small measure and slowly over time.

Here in Colorado there has never been any significant limitation on open carry (with a few exceptions in the major metropolitan areas), but open carry remains pretty rare and continues to bring with it the likelihood of alarmed citizens calling the cops any time they see a firearm in public. This type of reaction will take years to overcome through education and ongoing experience showing that armed citizens pose no threat to anyone under most circumstances.

Florida was about the first state to adopt "shall issue" type concealed carry laws, about 20 years ago, and the predictions of rivers of blood flowing in the streets as armed people settled every petty dispute with gunfire never came to pass. In fact, serious crimes in general and crimes against persons declined significantly and have remained at historic lows. That same pattern has followed everywhere restrictive firearms laws have been relaxed and citizens have been permitted greater and greater latitude in exercising their rights under the 2nd Amendment. All of the empirical evidence is on the side of maximum individual liberties, but the opposition will never shut down their propaganda machines and never stop trying to frighten the masses into totalitarian gun control schemes.

Several generations have passed as things have evolved to the present state, and a generation or two will pass before folks start to recognize the fact that openly armed citizens going about their business in a peaceful fashion is nothing to cause alarm.

For the time being I will continue to keep my hardware concealed so that no one has cause to become alarmed over nothing.
 
As I commented in one of the other many Texas OC threads...

"You guys still need to get rid of that training requirement and bring down the cost for your license. Training? To practice a right? Also $140 to start and $70 to renew? Forget about it."
 
Can't speak for the other States, but in TX, most of the Class covers the Law and Legal issues. My class dealt a lot with 'Shoot, Don't Shoot' situations and the liability and even had an 'elective' (if you want to call it that) section covering 'Dressing to Conceal'. There was actually no Training, but there was a 'Proficiency' test. Rastoff's 2nd 'challenge' thread is basically the TX proficiency exam.

Considering how many people ask the same old conceal questions, saying "I have a hard time Concealing a Large Gun". They could definitely use a 'Dress To Conceal' section in their CC classes. ;)
 
Strange to me, but I would have thought Texas, of all states, would have always had "open carry". ?

The state, (commonwealth) of Virginia had no problem with "open" carry. I emphasize "open". Side holster, front pocket, on the vehicle seat, dash,...anywhere as long as it was NOT concealed, and VERY visible.

In fact, some years back it was difficult to get a Virginia "concealed" license. Only those who proved they handled large cash amounts,merchants, travelling sales, and so forth could get one.

Well,..friends of judges and the clerk of court also.

Today, ?? I have a carry permit, and do not ever explore "public" open carry, but I do believe it is still legal.

For Texas, or any where else; it is a damn shame we have to pass legislation to have our 2A rights !
 
Oklahoma passed concealed carry, then we got open carry added for "Concealed Carry License" holders. The law also changed the name of the document to "Handgun License." It isn't what it ought to be, but it's closer.

I open carry a four inch S&W Model 686 four days a week (more or less), but it kinda goes with the uniform and badge. When not at work, I'm about fifty-fifty open carry/concealed carry. One thing I've done is ensure that my open carry holsters have retention devices.

One thing I've noticed is that most people DON'T notice that you have a gun on your hip unless you're wearing a duty rig or a silver-conchoed buscadero belt with a tied-down holster holding a nickel-plated SAA.
 
I'm not sure why anyone would really want to open carry, unless it's the only way a citizen could be armed when out in public. But I don't think that's the case in Texas, is it?.

We have open carry here in North Carolina, and have had it for long as I can remember, though I can't say I ever gave it much thought.

About the only advantage of open carry I see...speaking of just my state...is when I'm carrying concealed and for some reason my sweatshirt or t-shirt rides up over my pistol and exposes it to view, I won't be breaking any laws. And I suppose it's nice to know I can open carry, but I can't remember the last time I did it.
 
The mainstream media is very anti gun and promotes their agenda, albeit under the radar, every chance they get. One example is when the news shows a uniformed cop they always focus briefly on the officer's holstered weapon.

One of my favorite sit coms was "Barney Miller." The anti gun message ran throughout almost every episode.
 
Well in my bailiwick anyways, we in LE know most folks go arm to some extent....

Kentucky is a shall issue state and they issue em! It is a real hum digger of a cash cow.

I personally don't care how the lawfully arm public goes about their business, i.e. open carry or concealed.

It's those (read felons) that conceal firearms or other weapons upon
their person(s) for the purpose to commit criminal acts that concerns me.

I long ago deducted that,

"It is not what's on a man's hip that matters the most...It's what he carries in his heart that counts."




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Many good comments - a number of which deserve replies.

I like that I am one of only 829000 CHL holders and instructors in the state of Texas that can legally do so.

Interestingly, the Department of Public Safety is very much behind the CHL rules and anxiously awaits hitting 1 million CHL holders.

Now I don't have to worry if my gun peaks out on occasion while I conceal carry. Baby steps......

As I presume this writer knows, the peaking out of a concealed handgun is now not a problem, so open carry is not needed for that particular problem.
The right of the people to keep and bear arms was whittled away a little bit at a time over the course of 100-plus years, coming very close to cutting it off at the base of the tree more than once. I am happy to see rights restored, even if only in small measure and slowly over time.

True, and fair enough - and never forget that the right to keep and bear arms was whittled away quietly and slowly with little or no protest way back when because of racial discrimination. Almost all of the gun bans extant in the USofA have a racially biased component to them.

So, taking the right back is a step by step process - small doses is all we can ever hope for.

Following that thought, and somewhat out of order....

Strange to me, but I would have thought Texas, of all states, would have always had "open carry". ?

100 plus years ago the Texas intelligentsia made open or concealed carry illegal, with exceptions. I could write an essay on it but I simply refer you to my point above in re racial bias.
For Texas, or any where else; it is a damn shame we have to pass legislation to have our 2A rights !

All of our rights, under any rule of law in the Constitution/Bill of Rights, or elsewhere, are subject to a certain amount of restriction. The free exercise of rights is always coupled with respect for anyone on the other side of your free exercise. Free speech and religion, press and assembly, etc. None of those are without restrictions. The RKBA is no different. It is not unfettered, even in light of the "shall not be infringed" language. Legislation in abundance restricted the RKBA in a host of ways across the nation - therefore, it takes copious amounts of new, opposite legislation to fix it.

"You guys still need to get rid of that training requirement and bring down the cost for your license. Training? To practice a right? Also $140 to start and $70 to renew? Forget about it."

Personally, I have no argument with state fees because everything every state does requires fees - that's how they pay for the stuff that they do. If they were going to do it for free we wouldn't need any state governments because we couldn't afford them. No government almost sounds good, I know, but it's the important services provided that matter....

Can't speak for the other States, but in TX, most of the Class covers the Law and Legal issues. My class dealt a lot with 'Shoot, Don't Shoot' situations and the liability and even had an 'elective' (if you want to call it that) section covering 'Dressing to Conceal'. There was actually no Training, but there was a 'Proficiency' test. Rastoff's 2nd 'challenge' thread is basically the TX proficiency exam.

And everyone needs training, even to practice a right. You were trained in every other right that you practice. Someone trained you to say please and thank you and to not be rude and to not be libelous or slanderous. Someone trained you to not scream "FIRE!" in a crowded theater when there is no fire. Someone trained you to pray as you please and to allow everyone else to do the same, even if they pray very differently than you do, or not at all. Someone trained you to not be involved in street mobs when you assemble for good reason. Some of that training was informal, some of it was formal - but since schools do not train in the use of firearms, etc., you need training. And you need training to learn when it's legal to use the gun that the state is about to let you carry everywhere, concealed or not. Freedom is NOT free. You have to be taught to use freedom responsibly.

In the CHL case, however, and that's why I added the quote in re training; there is NO GUN TRAINING per se. No training to shoot - you better come to the class proficient because the test is for proficiency (I sent that Texas test to Rastoff, BTW). We train brains - and if you think people know their rights when it comes to self defense you're sadly mistaken. The myths that abound are almost scary!

I'm not sure why anyone would really want to open carry, unless it's the only way a citizen could be armed when out in public.

I can't understand what the great thrill is in revealing your armaments to the public, either. I know I won't be doing it.

But I don't think that's the case in Texas, is it?.

Until they pass open carry the rules in Texas are that without a CHL you cannot carry a handgun, period, except to and from your motor vehicle, where you can carry it concealed inside, or under certain other circumstances which are exceptions to the general ban on carrying any handgun.

About the only advantage of open carry I see...speaking of just my state...is when I'm carrying concealed and for some reason my sweatshirt or t-shirt rides up over my pistol and exposes it to view, I won't be breaking any laws.

That's true - but Texas recently passed a rule that got rid of the accidental revealing of a concealed weapon as a violation. So we don't need open carry for that purpose.

I just ordered my buscadero belt rig from El Paso Saddlery and 2 nickel plated SSA's from Colt's custom shop. I'm looking for the Hopalong Cassidy look!

The cowboy action shooters will love open carry. As a matter of fact, about 15 years ago, I went to a FONRA dinner with a bunch of CAS folks and we all dressed and, because it was on private property, some of us strapped on our double gun rigs with guns (unloaded, for safety) in the holsters. It was a hoot.


Keeps those cards and letters coming y'all!
 
I'm glad to hear this is progressing along, bringing out the freedoms in our constitution is paramount. Really though, I don't expect to see much open carry in DFW.
 
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