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If the media would stop reporting this BS, it would end - from boredom.
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the ringo kid
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I think they said he was 6 ft 4 in tall, and has a criminal record as long as his arm, definitely not a "nice guy."
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Its online soewhere. i saw that three of the charges happened in Nov 2013. So he aint as innocent as his friends claim him to be.
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He aint. Three charges just in Nov 2013 alone. I cant remembe what all but I THINK they were; Burglary, Assault and something else? If I can fid where I first saw this info? ill post it herefor factual references.
Biginge
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Boys, when our leaders choose to ignore/enforce the laws that exist how can we expect the masses to do any differently? If one chooses to not obey/enforce and it is seen as acceptable, here we go!
He's not only got a criminal record but there are a number of photos appearing online (apparently from Facebook and the like) showing him with gangbangers, throwing gang signs and all the rest of that stuff they do.
Mcwsky09
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Isn't the "unarmed teenager" 18 years old? Yes technically eighteen is still a teenager - but isn't 18 old enough to be considered an adult in Missouri?
I do not profess to know anything more about this case than what I have heard or read and don't know how it will turn out - but if in fact it is proven that the police officer was attacked and was in fact defending himself, at what point do you think the media will change the headline from "Police officer guns down innocent black child in the streets of Ferguson" to "Police officer defended himself against a violent attack from a young man"
Besides that - even if the true nature of the event is such that it was in fact an unjustified shooting but there is never enough evidence to be sure beyond a reasonable doubt - how will that be accepted? In our legal system the criteria for a conviction is not whether or not the public or media is certain of what happened but what can be proven in a court of law. Which is not to say that the police should not be held to at the very least the same standard as the rest of us just that certainty is not always possible not matter how badly you want it to be.
I do not profess to know anything more about this case than what I have heard or read and don't know how it will turn out - but if in fact it is proven that the police officer was attacked and was in fact defending himself, at what point do you think the media will change the headline from "Police officer guns down innocent black child in the streets of Ferguson" to "Police officer defended himself against a violent attack from a young man"
Besides that - even if the true nature of the event is such that it was in fact an unjustified shooting but there is never enough evidence to be sure beyond a reasonable doubt - how will that be accepted? In our legal system the criteria for a conviction is not whether or not the public or media is certain of what happened but what can be proven in a court of law. Which is not to say that the police should not be held to at the very least the same standard as the rest of us just that certainty is not always possible not matter how badly you want it to be.
Aticus
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There has been no report on any record for Mike brown, none. No one is addressing that. There is no report on even the sex of the police officer involved.
What has been reported are the calls for immediate justice from the young man's parent and the community. There have been calls for the resignation of the prosecuting attorney, the county police chief and the community police chief. There are accusations of racial profiling and prejudice. There are accusations that any investigation will not be fair to the young man. There is more confusion than there are facts. The young man who, since he was with Brown at the time of the shooting, finally agreed to talk to investigators yesterday (Wednesday). But he will only talk to the FBI. He claimed he was afraid of the police. There have, apparently, been a lot of "witnesses" but few have actually come forward. From the reports I have seen the rioting, looting, etc. is the results of outsider trashies. There was a report that a man was arrested by police after he refused to leave the area and pulled a handgun. This was unrelated to the Ferguson mess according to police. There was a man arrested for refusing to put his rifle down for police. He was walking his neighborhood and claimed he was protecting his house.
The shoe store looting incident was in an area some 30 or so miles from Ferguson and was probably a case of "let's go rob this store they'll blame it on the rioters" type of incident.
I will not comment on Rev, Al Sharpton. He's been to town before and will go away if he gets his way or not.
There have been and will continue to be peaceful demonstrations. More power to these folks. They won't help but they are welcome to try. The trashies will not help but they will get their 15 minutes of fame on TV and will be able to brag that they made the cops look bad. So be it.
For those of you who remember Ferguson from years ago. Yes it was a fine little community that took pride in the town and showed it. All of those people are gone replaced by the urban sprawl that is afflicting St. Louis and St. Louis county. It's a shame but there seems to be no way to stop it. I worked a lot in St. Louis City and all of St. Louis county and I have seen the problems of the City move to the county (urban sprawl). There have been attempts to correct the problems but have come to nothing. I don't know how to fix it and I too old to even want to try now. I'll leave that to those younger who have the energy,
Sorry for the rant but some of what you all were talking about is not what I was seeing on my local news and papers.
What has been reported are the calls for immediate justice from the young man's parent and the community. There have been calls for the resignation of the prosecuting attorney, the county police chief and the community police chief. There are accusations of racial profiling and prejudice. There are accusations that any investigation will not be fair to the young man. There is more confusion than there are facts. The young man who, since he was with Brown at the time of the shooting, finally agreed to talk to investigators yesterday (Wednesday). But he will only talk to the FBI. He claimed he was afraid of the police. There have, apparently, been a lot of "witnesses" but few have actually come forward. From the reports I have seen the rioting, looting, etc. is the results of outsider trashies. There was a report that a man was arrested by police after he refused to leave the area and pulled a handgun. This was unrelated to the Ferguson mess according to police. There was a man arrested for refusing to put his rifle down for police. He was walking his neighborhood and claimed he was protecting his house.
The shoe store looting incident was in an area some 30 or so miles from Ferguson and was probably a case of "let's go rob this store they'll blame it on the rioters" type of incident.
I will not comment on Rev, Al Sharpton. He's been to town before and will go away if he gets his way or not.
There have been and will continue to be peaceful demonstrations. More power to these folks. They won't help but they are welcome to try. The trashies will not help but they will get their 15 minutes of fame on TV and will be able to brag that they made the cops look bad. So be it.
For those of you who remember Ferguson from years ago. Yes it was a fine little community that took pride in the town and showed it. All of those people are gone replaced by the urban sprawl that is afflicting St. Louis and St. Louis county. It's a shame but there seems to be no way to stop it. I worked a lot in St. Louis City and all of St. Louis county and I have seen the problems of the City move to the county (urban sprawl). There have been attempts to correct the problems but have come to nothing. I don't know how to fix it and I too old to even want to try now. I'll leave that to those younger who have the energy,
Sorry for the rant but some of what you all were talking about is not what I was seeing on my local news and papers.
Aticus
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What you are saying could be true. The initial reports were that the police officer confronted Brown and a friend while they were in the street and told them to get out of the street. The was no report of a call for service. The report is that there was a struggle in the police car, there was an attempt to get the cops gun and a shot was fired in the car. The part about the gun is unsubstantiated but the shot fired appears to be factual. Brown was shot multiple times some 35 feet from the police car as the officer approached him. Again these are the preliminary reports and there are no dash-cams on Ferguson police cars. If the officer was attacked then justification certainly exists but that doesn't appear to be completely the case. That's some of that grey area that needs to be investigated.
Confused yet? So am I!
I'd be looking at the possibility of an insurance scam. A bunch of cars loaded with looters show up and strip another store in the same chain?
Ayup. ("How did you arrange a flood?")
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Well, it has just come out that Brown had just committed a robbery at a convience store in the area! The video in the store shows a heavy-set individual and the clothing matches what Brwon was later wearing.
I saw those pics in the background while CNN was trying attack the police, The big guy had his hand around the smaller guys neck. Doesn't appear to be the angel everyone has been saying. Also the Russians have moved into the Ukraine and CNN is going with this?
The only station carrying the news of a Russian invasion of the Ukraine is CNBC. Ukraine forces took on a Russian Armour column
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southcoast
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My understanding, and please correct me if I am wrong, but he was suspected of robbery not convicted any more than this officer who is alleged to have shot him multiple times from 30 feet after the kid had surrendered based on multiple eye witness accounts.
Hunter8282
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WOW... the plot thickens!
Thank goodness....
Thank goodness the violence and looting has slowed down. Those people aren't interested in justice, just using the incident as an excuse to go wild and steal.
Thank goodness the violence and looting has slowed down. Those people aren't interested in justice, just using the incident as an excuse to go wild and steal.
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It never astonishes me how different the stories are,...... I know, I worked Ghetto precincts for 16 years as well as multiple Police involved shootings. Witnesses LIE without conpunction and then there are the honest folk who would tell the truth except the THUGS threaten them into silence. The young man reportedly perpetrated a Strong Arm Robbery and the officer contacted him as a result of same. It " appears " that the suspect attacked the officer, I do not doubt that, and tried possible to disarm that officer. A shot was discharged inside the confines of the police vehicle with as yet unknown results. The suspect managed to evacuate the vehicle and at that point the story becomes less myopic. The officer was reportedly injured and the suspect was killed. We do know that. Now, for whatever reason they have released the officers name. This should make the agitators very happy as well as the reckless media. I hope they are all happy. Now, the officer will need 24 hour security as will his family and extended family as there have been death threats. Sad.
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Well we know one golf game this incident interrupted...
feralmerril
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Think it will slow up the very reverend Al from flapping his lips on this one? He keeps it up he`s bound to stumble into a justified someday. How can any but the most stupid think him relevant?
southcoast
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By multiple eye witness accounts and consistent with the footage showing how far from the car the body was the officer shot him multiple times after he raised his hands and surrendered from approximately 30 feet. Those are undisputed facts at this time. The local authorities took a week to claim the man was possibly a suspect in a recent robbery. If the incompetent authorities had provided this and other relevant information immediately rather than stand by idly, the aftermath would have been much different.
The situation has taken a much more peaceful and open dialogue since the state highway patrol took over.
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