Ferguson Mo problems

[ImprovedModel56Fan]

By multiple eye witness accounts and consistent with the footage showing how far from the car the body was the officer shot him multiple times after he raised his hands and surrendered from approximately 30 feet. Those are undisputed facts at this time. The local authorities took a week to claim the man was possibly a suspect in a recent robbery. If the incompetent authorities had provided this and other relevant information immediately rather than stand by idly, the aftermath would have been much different.

The situation has taken a much more peaceful and open dialogue since the state highway patrol took over.

The existence of multiple eye witness accounts seldom if ever constitutes "undisputed fact." In fact, the "facts" ARE in dispute.

It is mere conjecture on your part that earlier disclosure of the videotapes would have prevented the prevalent window-shopping, which was animalistic behavior with or without the videotapes.

 

[southcoast]

The existence of multiple eye witness accounts seldom if ever constitutes "undisputed fact." In fact, the "facts" ARE in dispute.

It is mere conjecture on your part that earlier disclosure of the videotapes would have prevented the prevalent window-shopping, which was animalistic behavior with or without the videotapes.

To make it clear, the undisputed facts are that the multiple eyewitnesses reported what they saw. To date the police have not provided any information disputing these accounts. If the police have any information that the guy was not shot multiple times after attempting to surrender from about 30 feet they would benefit by releasing this information.

If you have any conflicting eyewitness reports or police information that clearly disputes this please provide. Until this is provided the eyewitness accounts remain undisputed.

 

[BigBill]

The bits and pieces were told about the struggle over the cops gun sounds like it escalated really quickly to a matter of life or death for someone. I wonder if the victim was on any drugs that made him go crazy at this time when confronted?

Too bad someone had to die to end this situation.

 

[Bkreutz]

Eyewitness accounts are sketchy at best. It's been shown over and over again that 5 different people can witness the same thing but yet tell 5 different account of what happened, even simple things like hair color and manner of dress. I think it boils down to people see what they want to see.

 

[southcoast]

Eyewitness accounts are sketchy at best. It's been shown over and over again that 5 different people can witness the same thing but yet tell 5 different account of what happened, even simple things like hair color and manner of dress. I think it boils down to people see what they want to see.

My point is that as of today the eyewitness accounts have been sufficiently similar in account and detail. The cop shot an unarmed individual multiple times as he tried to surrender. They are also consistent with the physical evidence. To date the police have not provided conflicting information. Therefore their accounts are as close to the truth as we are likely to get.

 

[Trooperdan]

I will make one rash statement, based on nothing but my beliefs and life experience. I'll give long odds that at least some of these eye witnesses were not even in the area and certainly saw nothing.

 

[the ringo kid]

He's not only got a criminal record but there are a number of photos appearing online (apparently from Facebook and the like) showing him with gangbangers, throwing gang signs and all the rest of that stuff they do.

There is alovideo too as reported this morniing on Fox. They showed a still of the guy about to have a confrontation with a store cerk who was confronting him about his theft of about $50 of Swisher Sweets cigars. They said a complete vidoe will be released sometime today.

 

[A10]

My point is that as of today the eyewitness accounts have been sufficiently similar in account and detail. The cop shot an unarmed individual multiple times as he tried to surrender. They are also consistent with the physical evidence. To date the police have not provided conflicting information. Therefore their accounts are as close to the truth as we are likely to get.

It might be good to let the investigation continue until the facts are in. There are also eyewitness reports that indicate the young man was leaning into the patrol car at one point. The officer had injuries after the event. Let's not conclude that the young man was shot for no reason just yet.

 

[the ringo kid]

I will make one rash statement, based on nothing but my beliefs and life experience. I'll give long odds that at least some of these eye witnesses were not even in the area and certainly saw nothing.

As reported in the news this morning: The guy who says it was his friend-and who keeps giving the media interviews--also has a warrent out for his arrest. Somehow,I am really doubting that guys story on what actually happened.........

 

[the ringo kid]

Ive aso heard reports that the guy went for the policemans gun. Also, they said this morning that the officers anme will be released--im guessing today as well?I think its wrong to release the name because you KNOW--he and his family will get death threats and such.

 

[jlrhiner]

Local update. It appears a call was placed about a strong arm robbery in progress in which the Officer responded. (His name was released this morning, a 6 year veteran of the force with no prior disciplinary issues. His family has been moved for their protection)

A video has been released showing someone dressed identically to Brown choking a store employee after the call was made about the cigar theft. Some have advanced the theory that the QT was burned in an effort to destroy evidence. (So far, no evidence of this has been produced)

It was also released that the Officer was injured during the encounter and needed medical attention.

That's all so far.

 

[Trooperdan]

The video has been shown on CNN and it shows a really big guy man-handling and bogarting a much smaller guy and walking out with something in his hand. I wonder if Brown had any blunts on him at the time?

 

[kbm6893]

By multiple eye witness accounts and consistent with the footage showing how far from the car the body was the officer shot him multiple times after he raised his hands and surrendered from approximately 30 feet. Those are undisputed facts at this time. The local authorities took a week to claim the man was possibly a suspect in a recent robbery. If the incompetent authorities had provided this and other relevant information immediately rather than stand by idly, the aftermath would have been much different.

The situation has taken a much more peaceful and open dialogue since the state highway patrol took over.

Witness statements, from a community with an obvious axe to grind against the police, are "indisputable". Really? So why isn't the cop's statement "indisputable"?

And the appointment of this black state police captain is disgusting and transparent. A move to mollify the "community", and that *** holding up a picture of the deceased is a disgrace. Wonder how the cops under his command feel about that? He's HUGGING people in the street!

 

[kbm6893]

Local update. It appears a call was placed about a strong arm robbery in progress in which the Officer responded. (His name was released this morning, a 6 year veteran of the force with no prior disciplinary issues. His family has been moved for their protection)

A video has been released showing someone dressed identically to Brown choking a store employee after the call was made about the cigar theft. Some have advanced the theory that the QT was burned in an effort to destroy evidence. (So far, no evidence of this has been produced)

It was also released that the Officer was injured during the encounter and needed medical attention.

That's all so far.

Brown's accomplice in the robbery and the person with him when he was stopped has already admitted to the FBI and the state police that they stole the cigars. Fat Al must be boarding a plane back to NY as I type this. He must be pissed. Not gonna be able to buy that new Mercedes now with his share of the lawsuit.

 

[jlrhiner]

Brown's accomplice in the robbery and the person with him when he was stopped has already admitted to the FBI and the state police that they stole the cigars. Fat Al must be boarding a plane back to NY as I type this. He must be pissed. Not gonna be able to buy that new Mercedes now with his share of the lawsuit.

I haven't heard that yet.

 

[kbm6893]

I haven't heard that yet.

Read todays NY Daily News and NY Post. CNN had something about it, too. Here's the excerpt. Browns friend is Dorien Johnson, and this is a statement from his lawyer.

"Freeman Bosley, a former St. Louis mayor and the lawyer for 22-year-old Johnson, confirmed that the slain teen took the cigars.

“My client did tell us — and told the FBI — that they went into the store,” Bosley said on MSNBC. “He told the FBI that he did take cigarillos. He told that to the DOJ and the St. Louis County Police.”

So when can we expect the thugs who stole to return their items? I won't hold my breath.

 

[george minze]

No matter the eventual outcome this case has been a cluster......This is still a St. Louis County case. The Highway Patrol is there to keep a civilized lid on the eventual outcome...They do not have jurisdiction on the shooting...Though the Highway Patrol span of influence has increased ten fold over the last thirty years it does not have over riding jurisdiction on a homicide case in a county....It is a Highway Patrol not a State Police.....They have a very good crime unit that assists any other government agency upon request and certain case jurisdictions on state property.....Saint Louis County is a Home rule county...St Louis City is not in the county ( a separate political subdivision) and was up until a few years ago controlled by the state....St. Louis County is the only county in Missouri with a County Police agency...All other counties are policed by Sheriffs....even Jackson county (Kansas City) Not often is this make up, or designation a problem, obviously this is one that is a problem..and defiantly a big problem. Anytime you have 91 municipalities in one county most with their own Police agency's and a
County Police, you run into jurisdictional problems. Florissant (One city west of Ferguson) is the largest municipality in St. Louis County and had the largest and most self contained Police Department.....Only reason I bring this up is that it makes it a little easier to understand the confusion going on right now....Some day we JUST might know what really happened......MAYBE Add the Federals, that one way or another will stick their hands into the pot with what ever spin they want to put on the case it will not get better with time only worse...JMO

 

[badge]

By multiple eye witness accounts and consistent with the footage showing how far from the car the body was the officer shot him multiple times after he raised his hands and surrendered from approximately 30 feet. Those are undisputed facts at this time. The local authorities took a week to claim the man was possibly a suspect in a recent robbery. If the incompetent authorities had provided this and other relevant information immediately rather than stand by idly, the aftermath would have been much different.

The situation has taken a much more peaceful and open dialogue since the state highway patrol took over.

Your an expert it seems friend. Why don't you let those folks that lost businesses and were assaulted by the folks what you think. It's an open and ongoing investigation and authorities do not release information willy nilly as experts on the subject like yourself think is needed. Or maybe the gal who was shot in the head by four masked folk for what? Any clue all knowing one?,... Please, I'd love to hear how you'd do this,.....

 

[Harrydale]

I don't know any of the "facts" of this case. But I do know one thing if those 2 guys walking in the street had just done what the policemen said and got out of the street and onto the sidewalk, none of this would of happened.

 

[moosedog]

You can always thank the socialist media for fueling the fire and fanning the flames with half truths and assumptions coupled with biased witnesses.