Ferguson Mo problems

[Muss Muggins]

Update from local sources. The LEO involved is presently out of state with his family.

The curfew is in place from midnight till 5:00 am.

So far, a crowd has gathered, but no violence.

Wait for it . . . .

 

[southcoast]

Southcoast, sir would you like to rethink that statement after last nights looting. The only thing that was peaceful was the State Troopers,apparently, took no steps to stop the looters. I also noticed that the C store Brown is accused of stealing from was looted and trashed.
Added comment:
"And the appointment of this black state police captain is disgusting and transparent. A move to mollify the "community", and that *** holding up a picture of the deceased is a disgrace. Wonder how the cops under his command feel about that? He's HUGGING people in the street!"

Captain Hugem, was far from all smiles the the Press conference this afternoon.

I still stand by my comments. The local chief is in way over his head and the original violence did cease under new leadership whether you acknowledge this or not. The highway patrolman is simply doing his job as all sworn officers are expected to do. Disparaging him simply because of his race serves no purpose and I would hope we are all above such nonsense. I would expect those sworn officers under him to treat him with the same respect and dignity they would show any other commanding officer regardless of race. Those who don't are unfit for duty and are not worthy to wear the badge and uniform.

I do not condone rioting or looting, and believe all those small percentage involved should be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law and shown no mercy. From many accounts the looters are not even from this town, and are merely opportunist.

However, I also believe the local authorities could have been more tactical in how they released the Brown video into an already volital situation over objections from the DOJ to wait and without consulting the state highway patrol who had been placed in charge of security. Nothing the locals have done to date other than protect officer Wilson has show any reason to have confidence in their abilities to handle the situation as it currently stands.

 

[badge]

This video speaks to the "very well trained Police" you speak about in Ferguson. The STATE POLICE have shown the most professionalism, and the militarization needs to stop. They only succeeded to inflame things. The State Police, dressed as they should be, DE ESCALATED the situation. No 911 calls. No arrests. No SWAT boys playing army. No one "went after" any of the Troopers who were not wrapped in Armour.
This is available thru many different networks, before you choose to "shoot the messenger"
I can post links to many many just like this from conservative as well.

Conservative an liberal alike are sick and tired of MRAPS and Guys dressed heavier than troops patrolling in Afghanistan are, cruising the streets of a FREE COUNTRY like this. One troop made that exact point in fact.

This Military type buildup of Police is exactly one of the things our Founding Fathers worried about when they crafted the Second Amendment
They no longer serve and protect.


Ferguson police extend pattern of bungling | MSNBC

I agree with most your post sir. However, the State Patrol/Troopers are fine men I am sure but they should probable stick to just that, Patrolling the highways and byways as they do not generally deal with situations such as this, not to say they cannot but this is a job for CITY/County cops who are TRAINED and do deal with this sort of behavior on a regular and frequent basis. I saw that their walk and hug strategy did not work out too well for them and certainly denying officers protective riot gear is absolute insanity. Then again, the Police aren't calling the plays in Ferguson anymore, it's the agitators and the political types who are and they are risking the lives of the citizens, the officers and Troopers, as well as the businesses they are supposed to be protecting. All this so as not to hurt peoples feelings and " upset " them. Relating to the folks is a wonderful thing and very self gratifying unless they are Perps who need to be arrested, or tear gassed, or struck with rubber bullets, or whatever it takes to regain and maintain the safety of that town and all who live and work there.

 

[badge]

Put yourself in the place of someone in that community for a second.

All you know is that an unarmed 18 year old kid was shot and killed by the police. This is your neighbor's kid, or it might even be your kid. You've been taught all your life that the police are the enemy. You head out the front door to the funeral home and see something like this.

What do you do? You are scared, confused, angry, etc. This is a sight that I, for one would prefer to see at the Mexican border rather than in one's hometown.

I don't know any more than anyone else about the situation. I wouldn't doubt the shooting to be justified.

I just don't think these images engender a good relationship between a community who's mourning the death of a young man and their police force.

The folks in my family and neighborhood do not act like the folks we have seen on TV. Whats your point?

 

[venomballistics]

I agree with most your post sir. However, the State Patrol/Troopers are fine men I am sure but they should probable stick to just that, Patrolling the highways and byways as they do not generally deal with situations such as this, not to say they cannot but this is a job for CITY/County cops who are TRAINED and do deal with this sort of behavior on a regular and frequent basis. I saw that their walk and hug strategy did not work out too well for them and certainly denying officers protective riot gear is absolute insanity. Then again, the Police aren't calling the plays in Ferguson anymore, it's the agitators and the political types who are and they are risking the lives of the citizens, the officers and Troopers, as well as the businesses they are supposed to be protecting. All this so as not to hurt peoples feelings and " upset " them. Relating to the folks is a wonderful thing and very self gratifying unless they are Perps who need to be arrested, or tear gassed, or struck with rubber bullets, or whatever it takes to regain and maintain the safety of that town and all who live and work there.

and the short and sweet version. They are not in charge of the escalation. They are responding to the escalation.
It's not elegant, it's not rational. It's the dark side of reality.
A law enforcement stand down translates to Ferguson being erased in a few days.
Swat jocks, and storm troopers actually are the lesser evil.

 

[george minze]

One thing for sure, the KID sure didn't look like a kid when he pushed the face of the store clerk...He didn't even try to sneak the stuff out of the store he just took it...Until the officer makes his statement we are getting one side of the story...Fear is a strange thing it can make you over react....I have no idea as does anybody, but those involved what was going on in the officers mind, or for that matter what was in the kids (one big kid) mind......Sad thing we may never know the truth...The nice stuff we heard from the Highway Patrol Captain lasted until just after midnight....He tried to calm the situation. BTW the Captain is the commander of Troop C, that is the St. Louis and St. Louis county area. In fact troop C takes in a lot of east central Missouri...One of the largest and busiest Troops in the state. Maybe the Attorney General of the U.S. can work all this out...Yea and pigs fly, sorry I'm very skeptical at this point....The event will take a back seat to the best political results...Just the way things have become..Heck maybe they have always been that way......

 

[Faulkner]

I note the various posts with criticism about law enforcement showing up in riot gear . . . but . . . but . . . weren't they responding to a riot?

 

[Stevens]

Governor Nixon just issued a curfew. Seems the non-aggression policy failed to contain the unrest.

Now the curfew has been broken. roving bands, one shooting, one injured.
Looks like back to square one?
Steve W

 

[gregintenn]

I note the various posts with criticism about law enforcement showing up in riot gear . . . but . . . but . . . weren't they responding to a riot?

A riot incited by police action?

 

[PR24]

Ironically, the pacifist posters referring to an "out of control" government & "they should just leave" views astound me. Then I don't see any LE or military service with their screen names....now I get it.

Hey for all you "scared of the Gub'mint types" go up to Riotville & call for peace...go ahead, I DARE YOU.

 

[cmort666]

He assaulted a cop, tried to disarm him & got killed doing so.

Maybe, maybe not. We have only the cop's word for that.

Of course we DO know that Brown robbed somebody immediately prior to getting shot. That shows pattern of behavior and state of mind. It DOESN'T provide factual details regarding what happened during the shooting itself. That means it could have been completely justified, completely unjustified, or partially justified.

There's a LOT more information left to be disclosed.

As I've said, I'm not interested in getting played, either by the supporters of Brown OR the cops. The DoJ attempts to suppress the robbery video and the Ferguson PD's attempts to suppress on scene reporting don't give me ANY confidence in EITHER.

 

[cmort666]

Ironically, the pacifist posters referring to an "out of control" government & "they should just leave" views astound me. Then I don't see any LE or military service with their screen names....now I get it.

Yeah, I've got a real reputation as a "pacifist" here, which I've enhanced by calling for store owners to shoot looters who threaten their safety.

I have ZERO confidence in BOTH the supporters of the cop AND the supporters of Brown. Both have agendas, BOTH of which run contrary to the public good. Anytime you're trying to suppress factual information, it's because you're up to no good. That goes for the Ferguson PD AND the DoJ and Brown's family.

Some people want to be patsies for the cops.

Some people want to be patsies for the Brown family, Al Sharpton and the DoJ.

I choose "none of the above".

 

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[Muss Muggins]

There's a LOT more information left to be disclosed.

As I've said, I'm not interested in getting played, either by the supporters of Brown OR the cops. The DoJ attempts to suppress the robbery video and the Ferguson PD's attempts to suppress on scene reporting don't give me ANY confidence in EITHER.

Ferguson PD is not suppressing anything. If you have a beef with on scene security, your first call is to the Governor and the Missouri State Highway Patrol. They've told Ferguson PD to sit this one out . . .

 

[cmort666]

Ferguson PD is not suppressing anything. If you have a beef with on scene security, your first call is to the Governor and the Missouri State Highway Patrol. They've told Ferguson PD to sit this one out . . .

Ferguson PD was FALSELY arresting journalists on scene for photographing and videoing them. That's both a crime and a civil tort. When you do that, you're either up to no good or plan to be.

Likewise the attempt by the DoJ to suppress the robbery video.

I wouldn't trust either side as far as I could throw Rosie O'Donnell and a boxcar full of bags of hammers.

 

[PR24]

I'd take the word over a local cop over 1: the thugs homie & 2: the USDOJ/Holder any day of the week. The "kid" was HUGE & allegedly shoved the officer inside the car while trying to disarm him. If the officer was average size, then that is totally plausible.

Also, it has come out that the first shot(s) were fired inside the cruiser, not outside in a wanton execution like the 'homie' says.

Bottom line: people need to stop being opportunistic savages & let the investigation pan out. Making political demands over the rule of law is UNACCEPTABLE! That is how totalitarian societies start!!

 

[Biginge]

Help me understand please. When does a demonstration become a riot? At what point is it permissible for police to show up in riot gear?

 

[cmort666]

I'd take the word over a local cop over 1: the thugs homie & 2: the USDOJ/Holder any day of the week. The "kid" was HUGE & allegedly shoved the officer inside the car while trying to disarm him. If the officer was average size, then that is totally plausible.

I don't take the word of EITHER.

BOTH have an IMMENSE incentive to lie, and that's EXACTLY what I expect BOTH of them to do.

As far as the DoJ goes, that's a PURE act of malicious opportunism. Nothing good will come from DoJ involvement, but then none was intended to begin with. They're pushing a narrative, not conducting an investigation.

I don't have a preference as to by whom I'd like to be hoodwinked. Again, my choice is "none of the above".

 

[cmort666]

Help me understand please. When does a demonstration become a riot? At what point is it permissible for police to show up in riot gear?

It doesn't seem all that complicated to me.

When people start stealing, destroying property and assaulting others, it's a "riot".

When the police start falsely arresting people for recording them, it doesn't matter whether they're wearing body armor or footie pajamas.

I don't care what they wear. I care whether they obey the law.

 

[chaparrito]

There is alovideo too as reported this morniing on Fox. They showed a still of the guy about to have a confrontation with a store cerk who was confronting him about his theft of about $50 of Swisher Sweets cigars. They said a complete vidoe will be released sometime today.

The guy would have needed a semi truck to haul of FIFTY dollars worth of Swisher Sweets. What happened to the semi???