Ferguson Mo problems

[george minze]

Circus is right even the reporters from Fox have jumped on the band wagon....Usually they have the facts before jumping on the band wagon..

 

[CDROBERTS]

Having lived in North St. Louis County in the 60's I can't even imagine problems in Ferguson Mo.....That North end of St. Louis County was as tightly policed as any suburban area maybe in the country..In fact the muni. just north of Ferguson is Florissant. During the 60's and 70's the largest suburb of St Louis......Extremely well policed....Very restrictive city ordinances, and a well paid well trained police department..That whole area was considered a hands off by professional criminals as the story went.....The detective bureau was considered one of the best in the county..Well paid, well equipped and backed by the administration 100%...Sad to see that Ferguson having problems....Both departments had excellent reputations....The suburbs aren't what they used to be.

This video speaks to the "very well trained Police" you speak about in Ferguson. The STATE POLICE have shown the most professionalism, and the militarization needs to stop. They only succeeded to inflame things. The State Police, dressed as they should be, DE ESCALATED the situation. No 911 calls. No arrests. No SWAT boys playing army. No one "went after" any of the Troopers who were not wrapped in Armour.
This is available thru many different networks, before you choose to "shoot the messenger"
I can post links to many many just like this from conservative as well.

Conservative an liberal alike are sick and tired of MRAPS and Guys dressed heavier than troops patrolling in Afghanistan are, cruising the streets of a FREE COUNTRY like this. One troop made that exact point in fact.

This Military type buildup of Police is exactly one of the things our Founding Fathers worried about when they crafted the Second Amendment
They no longer serve and protect.


Ferguson police extend pattern of bungling | MSNBC

 

[ralph7]

So these folks walk down the middle of the street and dare someone to challenge them.
These same folks riot and loot when a court case doesn't go their way.

Yet they want to be treated as "equals" when everything in their makeup suggests just the opposite.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Watching the video of him strolling out of the store and the way he manhandled the cashier when confronted about stealing gives you a pretty good idea of his attitude "dont **** with me".
Not like one TV comentator said last week "it looks like the parents did a good job of keeping this young man on the right track"
Steve W

Right.

Didn't appear to me like a "teen" worried about being caught stealing and his parents finding out. Appeared more like the brazenness of a mobster. Hard to believe the reports of Brown having no past record.

 

[cmort666]

Didn't appear to me like a "teen" worried about being caught stealing and his patents finding out. Appeared more like the brazenness of a mobster. Hard to believe the reports of Brown having no past record.

In the video he looks like the Black version of "Oddjob" from Goldfinger.

Whenever you see a claim that an unedited video "smears" somebody, you can generally infer that they're guilty of SOMETHING. Brown's family's attorney sounds remarkably like the Chicago cops who complained that the barmaid beating video was shown "too much". Aliens didn't make him rob and assault someone. That was a CHOICE.

The video of Brown robbing the store goes toward both state of mind and pattern of behavior.

It's not proof that the shooting was justified. It IS proof that it MIGHT have been, pending undisclosed forensic evidence at the scene of the shooting.

Predictably, there are claims that it was "photoshopped". Yeah, I'm sure that ILM literally jumped at the chance to help whitewash a controversial killing by a cop in some podunk St. Louis suburb (I went to school in Missouri for four years and NEVER heard of Ferguson before this week.).

 

[venomballistics]

I'm just watching. Been there many times, still occasionally go to Pirones for pizza.

I don't understand the rioting and the demands of the so-called "civic leaders". They want the St. Louis Co. Prosecutor to resign, the police chief to resign, and the police officer involved in jail?!? Totally preposterous!!! All of this without knowing what actually happened!!!

I'm still waiting to see what the investigation reveals.

Well, more to the point, not caring what happened.
At last count, the kid was fighting for the cops gun.
The cop won. To the victor goes the spoils.

 

[cmort666]

Hard to believe the reports of Brown having no past record.

Supposedly he didn't have an ADULT record, but had quite an extensive juvenile history.

Again, it doesn't in itself justify the shooting. Doesn't mean that it wasn't justified either.

 

[sipowicz]

Right.

Appeared more like the brazenness of a mobster. Hard to believe the reports of Brown having no past record.

He probably pushed the judge around and told him to seal his records or else!

 

[Mydogmax]

The people rioting are not interested in "why" or "what" happened. Just interested in "that" it happened. This is getting really old.

 

[Maze 686]

I guess the "Hug aThug" State Police Capt. is eating crow this morning, after three stores were looted last night and his officers attacked.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Supposedly he didn't have an ADULT record, but had quite an extensive juvenile history.

Again, it doesn't in itself justify the shooting. Doesn't mean that it wasn't justified either.

Being that he was just 18 I was wondering about that.

It was repeated over and over again for days that Brown had no past record and was a good kid preparing for college. I didn't hear anyone complain that had no bearing on the shooting. Now that the vid came out, the Brown family representatives are quite adamant that his past behavior has no bearing on the moment of the shooting and is just an attempt to smear his character. Big surprise.

 

[cmort666]

The people rioting are not interested in "why" or "what" happened. Just interested in "that" it happened. This is getting really old.

There's a difference between a "cause" and an "excuse".

The out of town looters care no more what actually happened during the shooting than those who perpetrated "Kristallnacht" cared about the facts behind the assassination of Ernst vom Rath.

In both cases, there was a desired outcome. Any excuse for it would do.

 

[Fishinfool]

This video speaks to the "very well trained Police" you speak about in Ferguson. The STATE POLICE have shown the most professionalism, and the militarization needs to stop. They only succeeded to inflame things. The State Police, dressed as they should be, DE ESCALATED the situation. No 911 calls. No arrests. No SWAT boys playing army. No one "went after" any of the Troopers who were not wrapped in Armour.
This is available thru many different networks, before you choose to "shoot the messenger"
I can post links to many many just like this from conservative as well.



Yea, I heard how the troopers were walking hand in hand with the protesters. Sweet.....Happened to watch the news last night (Fri night). Seen how the "protesters" were again looting and raising hell, and how the Highway Patrol was now in armored vehicles, blocking the streets, and covering the rowdy crowd with rifles. Glad to see the "love fest" method of policing is working for them.....

Larry

 

[cmort666]

Being that he was just 18 I was wondering about that.

It was repeated over and over again for days that Brown had no past record and was a good kid preparing for college. I didn't hear anyone complain that had no bearing on the shooting. Now that the vid came out, the Brown family representatives are quite adamant that his past behavior has no bearing on the moment of the shooting and is just an attempt to smear his character. Big surprise.

As they say, "past is prologue" and "the child is the father of the man".

I don't know if the shooting was justified. I do know that Brown's past behavior makes it more likely that it was.

 

[fideau]

No matter what happened, no matter what any number of witnesses have said, why are incidents such as this immediately tried in the street and on the TV? I have seen people make statements as if it is a proven fact, such as "he had his hands up in surrender and was shot". Why do they accept that as a fact. Facts have to be proven in court. I guess because it's what they want to believe, it fits their agenda, and stupid ignorant people happily accept that as fact and reason to rob and burn. How pitiful. One happening and they claim it's a national problem.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Reminder-


The RULES:

The following topics are BANNED on this Board:
Abortion
Religion
Racial issues
Gay rights/homosexuality
General LEO bashing
Political Discussion and Comment

 

[cmort666]

No matter what happened, no matter what any number of witnesses have said, why are incidents such as this immediately tried in the street and on the TV?

Because they have been since humans were able to use speech. You don't have to like it, but you don't have any choice as to whether it'll happen.

Remember, Kathryn Johnston was a "drug dealer" and a "wouldbe cop killer"... until she wasn't.

Likewise, the cop who shot Brown is a "violent racist"... until he isn't anymore.

I have seen people make statements as if it is a proven fact, such as "he had his hands up in surrender and was shot". Why do they accept that as a fact.

Because it supports the narrative they're promoting... just like Kathryn Johnston being a "drug dealer" promoted the narrative which supporters of the Atlanta PD narcotics squad were pushing.

At this point, I don't believe either the cop or Brown's supporters, although Brown's IMMEDIATE behavior utterly destroys the desired narrative of him being a "peaceful" citizen.

Facts have to be proven in court.

But NOT in the court of public opinion. Your not liking that changes nothing. I've never heard anybody say either, "Gee, I guess Kathryn Johnston WASN'T a 'drug dealer'." OR "Gee, I guess George W. Bush DIDN'T dynamite the levees in Louisiana."

Narratives don't have to be true; they just have to support the narrators' objectives.

 

[Stevens]

Being that he was just 18 I was wondering about that.

It was repeated over and over again for days that Brown had no past record and was a good kid preparing for college. I didn't hear anyone complain that had no bearing on the shooting. Now that the vid came out, the Brown family representatives are quite adamant that his past behavior has no bearing on the moment of the shooting and is just an attempt to smear his character. Big surprise.

God forbid the cops reputation have the slightest smudge in his past the Brown family reps. will be shouting it from the rooftops and all the press following them.

 

[cmort666]

God forbid the cops reputation have the slightest smudge in his past the Brown family reps. will be shouting it from the rooftops and all the press following them.

That's SOP in ANY PR fight in the media.

Ask the guy who just lost his basketball team.

I know a guy who's running for Senate. Went to college with him. I also know a few thing about him that might not work to his advantage if I thought he was important enough to bother with.

Words and deeds have consequences.

 

[mc5aw]

Amidst the violence and media spin and speculation, I have not heard a single on air person question the behavior of the deceased in the convenience store. Theft and assault used to be criminal actions.

I also find it disturbing that in the rush to judgement, the individual was immediately portrayed as angelic and hard working, when the shop video seems to prove otherwise. A towering 300lb thug manhandling a store employee is not an upstanding pillar of the community. I recall a similar media misrepresentation occurring in the Zimmerman-Martin case.

In perusing the afternoon news online, there are several articles and linked footage of armed business owners protecting their respective property claiming the police are nowhere to be found. This is the EXACT situation I addressed in another thread on civil unrest.