Ferguson Mo problems

[cmort666]

Amidst the violence and media spin and speculation, I have not heard a single on air person question the behavior of the deceased in the convenience store. Theft and assault used to be criminal actions.

I have, but only on Fox News and conservative talk radio.

For the rest, it doesn't fit the narrative.

Remember, to the Rachael Jeantel crowd, it didn't MATTER if Trayvon Martin attacked George Zimmerman without physical provocation. He had a "right" to do that if he thought he'd been "dissed".

Consequences for ones actions are... "unfair".

 

[CDROBERTS]

I guess the "Hug aThug" State Police Capt. is eating crow this morning, after three stores were looted last night and his officers attacked.

Yeah, that seems to keep happening every time the Chief of that ( what CMORT called a Podunk town) opens his mouth and speaks. Maybe he should have let the SP take it over completely.

I don't know at this point what happened in this incident, and am not standing in judgement. I am speaking of the aftermath, and how it is being handled, along with the Militarization of the Police. THAT is DEFINITELY not helping as anyone with eyes can see. It keeps making it worse.
But hey..... maybe you have a bias, eh?

What do you say?
Kill em all?
Martial law?
Put in the National Guard and let them let loose with M4s?

Besides, I'm sure the money from Washington will be POURING in to rebuild this place.

I hear Washington is talking about taking away the toys from all these Depts. What fun would THAT be?

Dept of defense just needs to retire this stuff when they are done with it. Podunk USA doesn't NEED it, and as seen, it is NOT helping matters.

Or did I miss everything suddenly come under control when they rolled in with these things?

Your wrong, but unable to see it. Take off the blinders.

I'll say again. The Second Amendment was put in place for US to protect OURSELVES from an out of control Govt.
I don't know anything that says 'Out of control" more than MRAPS in Podunk USA.

 

[george minze]

It is NOT a State Police Department, it is a Highway Patrol with statutory restrictions...Good department however they are there because the Governor was at a loss as what he could do...Missouri is a statute state not a common law state...Makes a big difference...MSHP can only do what is statutorily authorized.....Taking over the law enforcement of a city in a Home Rule County isn't one of the things they can due with out some legislative authority......That captain is reputed as being a good guy and a good officer, however the outside influences sort of made his great speech, just a good speech....That didn't work.....As far as that Chief goes...well after his press release I would guess he better have a new city to go to, or consider retirement....

 

[gregintenn]

No matter what happened, no matter what any number of witnesses have said, why are incidents such as this immediately tried in the street and on the TV? I have seen people make statements as if it is a proven fact, such as "he had his hands up in surrender and was shot". Why do they accept that as a fact. Facts have to be proven in court. I guess because it's what they want to believe, it fits their agenda, and stupid ignorant people happily accept that as fact and reason to rob and burn. How pitiful. One happening and they claim it's a national problem.

Put yourself in the place of someone in that community for a second.

All you know is that an unarmed 18 year old kid was shot and killed by the police. This is your neighbor's kid, or it might even be your kid. You've been taught all your life that the police are the enemy. You head out the front door to the funeral home and see something like this.

What do you do? You are scared, confused, angry, etc. This is a sight that I, for one would prefer to see at the Mexican border rather than in one's hometown.

I don't know any more than anyone else about the situation. I wouldn't doubt the shooting to be justified.

I just don't think these images engender a good relationship between a community who's mourning the death of a young man and their police force.

 

[cmort666]

I just don't think these images engender a good relationship between a community who's mourning the death of a young man and their police force.

The justifiability of the shooting is debatable.

There's no debate AT ALL that it's manifestly unlawful to prevent people, reporters OR citizens from photographing, filming or videoing police in the conduct of their public duties. THAT calls into question the motivations of those involved far more than all of the sniper rifles and armored vehicles in the world.

 

[Muss Muggins]

Governor Nixon just issued a curfew. Seems the non-aggression policy failed to contain the unrest.

 

[LostintheOzone]

I'll say again. The Second Amendment was put in place for US to protect OURSELVES from an out of control Govt.
I don't know anything that says 'Out of control" more than MRAPS in Podunk USA.

I haven't seen any "out of control" gov't in Ferguson yet. I have seen some out of control looting and destruction of property though, and it wasn't done by the gov't. 2A isn't about just protecting yourself from the gov't, it's about protecting yourself period. If I lived in Ferguson I would be more concerned about roving bands of looters and fire bombers than I would the gov't right now. Watts, Detroit and LA are history lessons if anyone cares. The police should just move out of that part of town and let it burn like they did in LA. Seems nobody wants the police there anyway.

 

[Old Corp]

From my own perspective, I really feel for the young officer involved.

I have been in his shoes, complete with my city being bestowed simultaneous visits from the 'Reverends' Jackson and Sharpton, and a local wannabe, Rev. Finnlator.
My shooting occurred in the morning. I finally made it home at about dark. When I switched on the TV, minority community 'leaders' were calling for my prosecution for First Degree Murder. That's a real shock to a young guy such as I was, mid-20's, who at that point felt lucky to be alive.

By the next day, the 'Reverends' were on-scene demanding an FBI investigation, which finally did occur.
The FBI Special Agent, whom I knew, kept interrupting the interview with apologies. He didn't wanna be there.

Keep the officer in your thoughts and prayers. It's a lonely place to be.

 

[Muss Muggins]

From my own perspective, I really feel for the young officer involved.

I have been in his shoes, complete with my city being bestowed simultaneous visits from the 'Reverends' Jackson and Sharpton, and a local wannabe, Rev. Finnlator.
My shooting occurred in the morning. I finally made it home at about dark. When I switched on the TV, minority community 'leaders' were calling for my prosecution for First Degree Murder. That's a real shock to a young guy such as I was, mid-20's, who at that point felt lucky to be alive.

By the next day, the 'Reverends' were on-scene demanding an FBI investigation, which finally did occur.
The FBI Special Agent, whom I knew, kept interrupting the interview with apologies. He didn't wanna be there.

Keep the officer in your thoughts and prayers. It's a lonely place to be.

Thank you for your public service.

 

[CDROBERTS]

I haven't seen any "out of control" gov't in Ferguson yet. I have seen some out of control looting and destruction of property though, and it wasn't done by the gov't. 2A isn't about just protecting yourself from the gov't, it's about protecting yourself period. If I lived in Ferguson I would be more concerned about roving bands of looters and fire bombers than I would the gov't right now. Watts, Detroit and LA are history lessons if anyone cares. The police should just move out of that part of town and let it burn like they did in LA. Seems nobody wants the police there anyway.

They should just leave. They are fueling it at this point.
For the "out of control Govt" see pictures in post 104 by "gregintn"
For a town of 27 thousand? Yeah, ok.

This is STILL America. And THAT (AGAIN I will repeat it) is what the founding fathers wanted US to be armed against.
Hence the second amendment.

For US to be able to protect ourselves from something like THAT.

 

[george minze]

It will be a long time for this mess to be worked out....Now we have the Attorney General of the United Stated involved....Fact is the charges must be brought by a Grand Jury of St. Louis County residents. Question will be if the jury returns a True Bill or not. No matter the outcome of State charges the feds will get involved...The agitators (outsiders) will hang around for a victory celebration I'm sure..As seen in the tape from the store this (kid) was one big boy. He just took what he wanted with no fear of retribution. Certainly not a capitol crime. BUT who knows what really happened at that street confrontation....The Governor sure never had control of the meeting with the residents.....Time will tell.....The MSHP Captain tried to tell the group that they were there for safety and he kept trying to explain the fact that there was to be a curfew,, That didn't work out to good. This will be a long going situation,,all the dynamics are present...Good Luck Ferguson you have found fame....Hopefully the St. Louis gangsters will stay out tonight.......I wonder how many people have been killed in Chicago since this started??

 

[old bear]

The situation has taken a much more peaceful and open dialogue since the state highway patrol took over.

Southcoast, sir would you like to rethink that statement after last nights looting. The only thing that was peaceful was the State Troopers,apparently, took no steps to stop the looters. I also noticed that the C store Brown is accused of stealing from was looted and trashed.
Added comment:
"And the appointment of this black state police captain is disgusting and transparent. A move to mollify the "community", and that *** holding up a picture of the deceased is a disgrace. Wonder how the cops under his command feel about that? He's HUGGING people in the street!"

Captain Hugem, was far from all smiles the the Press conference this afternoon.

 

[xray97]

They should just leave. They are fueling it at this point.
For the "out of control Govt" see pictures in post 104 by "gregintn"
For a otwn of 27 thousand? Yeah, ok.

This is STILL America. And THAT (AGAIN I will repeat it) is what the founding fathers wanted US to be armed against.
Hence the second amendment.

For US to be able to protect ourselves from something like THAT.

They should just leave??? If it was your business being burned, vandalized, and stolen from would you want the police to leave?
The Second Ammendment was written because the founding fathers wanted us to be able to protect ourselves from those who were trying to stop citizens from victimizing other, law abiding citizens?
I guess we all have our interpretations.

 

[cmort666]

It will be a long time for this mess to be worked out....Now we have the Attorney General of the United Stated involved

No good will come of that.

Of course none is intended...

 

[cmort666]

They should just leave???

If they're not going to "protect" anyone, why should they stay?

1. Police have no legal duty to protect individuals.
2. Police have no legal liability when they fail to protect individuals.
3. Police have almost no physical ability to protect individuals.

If you're not willing and able to protect yourself, you're just not going to get protected at all.

And that's why local store owners have taken up arms and ARE protecting THEMSELVES.

 

[meaneyedcatz]

KSDK TV showed the house and address where the cop lived. HOW CAN THEY SO STUPID OR BLIND!!!!!!!!!!!

They have since apologized but the damage has been done.

 

[Muss Muggins]

They should just leave??? If it was your business being burned, vandalized, and stolen from would you want the police to leave?
The Second Ammendment was written because the founding fathers wanted us to be able to protect ourselves from those who were trying to stop citizens from victimizing other, law abiding citizens?
I guess we all have our interpretations.

You need to read the local news coverage. The governor of Missouri did just that. The last two nights in Ferguson have been absent of police presence, at the order of the Governor. Tonight is getting ugly, and the Governor has realized the error of his ways and declared a curfew.

 

[JayFramer]

I'm so confused at the different tales going on, but I've family in St. Louis and the city is most dear to me. I hope everything sort itself out in time.

Reasons like these are why it's good to have defensive options. I just recently bought an SKS semi-automatic carbine to use for defense and it would be a good thing to have during these times of civil unrest if you lived in any of these cities.

 

[xray97]

You need to read the local news coverage. The governor of Missouri did just that. The last two nights in Ferguson have been absent of police presence, at the order of the Governor. Tonight is getting ugly, and the Governor has realized the error of his ways and declared a curfew.

My point exactly!

 

[jlrhiner]

Update from local sources. The LEO involved is presently out of state with his family.

The curfew is in place from midnight till 5:00 am.

So far, a crowd has gathered, but no violence.